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The first season of MedPEP, the Medical Professionals Empowerment Program, stars Dr. Marie Curious, a physician, physician's wife and mother of toddlers, who is attempting to douse the flames of physician burnout. Listen as Marie and her guide, Dr. Les Schwab, interact with experts with the wisdom and experience to help anyone who is overwhelmed by the stresses and pressures of a nearly impossible job. After you have listened, take our free CME: https://www.medpep.org/cme
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Hi. I’m Dr. Marie Curious from MedPEP, the Medical Professionals Empowerment Program. We’re releasing this one-minute reminder to let you know that MedPEP physician listeners are eligible to receive as many as 20 FREE AMA PRA Category 1 Credits™ for listening to MedPEP. Just go to www.medpep.org/cme and follow the link to the MMS site. You don’t ne…
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This is the 20th and final episode of the first season of MedPEP. Along with the first and eighth episodes, this is one of three episodes in which Marie and Les engage in a two-way conversation without a guest expert. Their two-way exchanges, relative to the more didactic three-way conversations, are particularly personal and heartfelt. In this fin…
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At the beginning of this episode, Marie acknowledges to Les that she is continuing to mull over Dr. Green’s paradoxical suggestion (episode 18) that one way to overcome a sense of powerlessness is to embrace it. In today’s discussion with Dr. Liebschutz, they consider the possibility that some physicians may be able to overcome their sense of being…
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Every practicing physician has had the experience of feeling powerless in the face of patient expectations that come across as overblown or unrealistic. Addiction psychiatrist Mark Green, MD, shares with Drs. Curious and Schwab that an effective strategy for managing such expectations is for the health professional to join with the patient by ackno…
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Dr. Steve Adelman, founder of MedPEP and the former medical director of the physician health program in Massachusetts, has a frank discussion with Marie and Les about physicians’ use of addictive substances like alcohol and marijuana. In this era of stress, burnout, and medical “battle fatigue,” doctors may be especially susceptible to numbing them…
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Dr. Marie Curious and MedPEP host Dr. Schwab have a rich and engaging conversation on the doctor-patient relationship with primary care physician and writer Dr. Danielle Ofri. The discussion contains numerous clinical pearls, some of which are drawn from Dr. Ofri’s experiences learning to play the cello as an adult. She reflects on her own frustrat…
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Dr. Jeffrey Auerbach is a psychologist, coach, and author who has coached health care executives, physicians, and physician leaders for more than 20 years. This episode focuses on the complexities of emotional intelligence (EI). Jeff explains to Marie and Les that there are four broad domains of EI: (1) knowing yourself, (2) managing yourself, (3) …
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After learning about the causes of burnout, how to cope with it, and how to convey one’s concerns to the higher-ups in an organization, Marie meets Dr. Helen Riess, a practicing psychiatrist who directs the empathy research program at Massachusetts General Hospital. Helen believes that the rigors and pressures of medical education, training and pra…
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The stresses and strains of medical practice burned out Dr. Diane Shannon to the point where she left clinical practice and reinvented herself as a medical writer. She shares her moving, cautionary tale with Marie Curious, explaining to her that medical practice was not what she had expected it to be. She found it to be so chaotic and stressful tha…
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Marie meets with Dr. Paul DeChant, a former family medicine physician and CEO who now works as a health care management consultant. As a medical leader at the Sutter Gould Medical Foundation, Paul successfully led a system-wide transformation that enhanced clinician well-being and restored joy in caring for patients. Paul is the lead author of Prev…
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Following up on her conversation with Marie on conflict management, a second conversation with Dr. Jo Shapiro focuses on her hospital’s model peer-support program. There, clinicians facing emotionally stressful situations such as safety events, trauma and traumatic losses, malpractice suits, and medical board complaints are offered the opportunity …
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Marie and professionalism expert Jo Shapiro, MD, have a deep conversation about resolving interpersonal conflicts that come up on medical teams and at different levels of health care organizations. Dr. Shapiro, a surgeon at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital, directs the Center for Professionalism and Peer Support there. She believes that conflict in…
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Psychologist and Coach Alan Morse focuses on assessing and addressing physicians’ problems from individual, team, and organizational perspectives. He suggests that the same analytical skills that physicians utilize to assess patients’ conditions may be applied to one’s self and one’s practice. Understanding organizational culture is a must, and sol…
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Les and Marie take stock of their first 6 conversations with well-being experts, and they reflect on Marie’s ability to effectively incorporate the torrent of new information, skills and techniques into the everyday flow of a busy life at work and home. Marie acknowledges how difficult it is to translate knowledge into habit formation, and they dis…
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In this episode Marie meets Beth Frates, MD. Trained as a physiatrist, Beth coaches people to adopt healthy lifestyles, with an emphasis on diet, sleep, stress resiliency and exercise. In this MedPEP episode, Beth focuses on nutrition and healthy eating patterns as critical factors to energize Marie over the course of rigorous days in the clinic. S…
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Dr. Marie Curious reports back to Dr. Les Schwab that her arousal level is unacceptably high in the course of the work day, and he comments that difficult conversations in the clinic may be a contributing factor. He introduces her to Dr. Cathy Lanteri, a practicing psychiatrist and executive coach. Cathy explains that the current environment requir…
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After Marie describes her experience with savoring the moment while drinking water — a follow-up activity from the meeting with Dr. Gazelle — Dr. Schwab introduces her to Diana Dill, EdD, who coaches physicians to prevent burnout from feeling stressed and overwhelmed due to unsustainable organizational changes. She points out that people have diffe…
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Dr. Schwab introduces Marie to Gail Gazelle, MD, a practicing hospice physician and health professional coach, and they review multiple working definitions of mindfulness. She stresses the need for compassion, both for one’s patients as well as for oneself. Dr. Gazelle also emphasizes the importance of being in the present moment, staying focused o…
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After reviewing Marie’s effort to take time for lunch, Dr. Schwab introduces her to Margaret Moore, MBA (a.k.a. Coach Meg), founder of the first health and wellness coaching school in the United States. Coach Meg points out that physicians are trained first and foremost to focus on their patients' well-being and often feel guilty when they pause to…
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In this episode, Dr. Curious meets physiatrist and lifestyle medicine guru Eddie Phillips, MD. Marie describes the draining of cognitive, emotional, and physical energy engendered by rapid multitasking and juggling in the clinic. In response, Dr. Phillips emphasizes the importance of physician self-care to counteract energy depletion. Health profes…
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Meet Les Schwab, MD, a professional coach, internist, and medical leader, and the host of MedPEP. He is joined by Marie Curious, MD, a young primary care internist who finds her growing clinic practice to be increasingly stressful and overwhelming. Les and Marie embark upon a journey to discover solutions to survive and thrive in today’s depleting …
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