A podcast of question and exploration, not question and answer; for those curious about spiritual direction and the spiritual life.
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASinfo@gmail.com. Check out their ministries: Christopher: SteppingStonesLife.com and Maggie: RavachMinistries.org.
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S2:E40 Undoing the Knots of Anti-Blackness with Maureen O’Connell
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie have a conversation with Maureen O'Connell, Associate Professor at LaSalle University. We discuss her book Undoing the Knots: Five Generations of American Catholic Anti-Blackness. We discuss how the white church, not just the Catholic Church, has been complicit in propogating anti-blackness and what we can do…
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S2:E39 Do I Stay Christian? with Brian McLaren
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Brian McLaren about his new book Do I Stay Christian? A Guide for the Doubters, the Disappointed, and the Disillusioned. This book is a resource for anyone who is unsure of if they even want to remain Christian after they've been hurt and have doubted many of the claims of Christianity. The book provi…
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S2:E38 Christians Against Christianity with Dr. Obery M. Hendricks, Jr.
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Dr. Obery M. Hendricks about his book Christians Against Christianity: How Right-Wing Evangelicals Are Destroying Our Nation and Our Faith. This conversation was wide-ranging. We talked about everything from what Jesus said is the root of the gospel, abortion, gun rights, and Donald Trump and the Janu…
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S2:E37 Church of the Wild with Victoria Loorz
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk with Victoria Loorz about the Wild Church movement and her new book Church of the Wild: How Nature Invites us Into the Sacred. We talk about how in the Bible, whenever God wanted to speak to people, he often called them out into the wilderness. We also discuss what a wild church is like and how you can g…
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S2:E36 Every Possible Topic Ever with Rick Wilkerson and Desi Raines
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In this episode, Maggie has a conversation with Rick Wilkerson and Desi Raines of the Agreed Podcast. Maggie, Rick, and Desi cover tons of ground in this episode, hence the name: Every possible topic ever! We hope you enjoy this conversation. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual directio…
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S2:E35 Being an Ally for the Transgender Community with Kellie Keylon
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk with Kellie Keylon about being an ally for the transgender community. Kellie talks with us about her journey of embracing her identity as a transgender woman and finding acceptance in the church. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction …
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S2:E34 Finding the Beauty in Other Religions with Abigail Davis
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Abigail Davis. In this conversation, we talk about finding the beauty in other world religions. In Christianity, we are often taught that the only reason to learn about other religions is to be able to refute them and convert their adherants to Christianity. But there is so much beauty and so many imp…
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S2:E33 Reconstructing Your Mind with Todd Vick
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Todd Vick, the author of The Reconstructing of Your Mind, and The Renewing of Your Mind. Todd also has a podcast called The Reconstruction Rebel. We talk to Todd about deconstruction and reconstruction, what it means, and why it is an important part of the faith journey. Christopher and Maggie are spi…
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S2:E32 Indigenization of Theology with Susanna Muntz
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk with Susanna Muntz about indigenization of theology. What do the teachings of Jesus look like in specific cultures, times, and geographies? How can we let theology grow out of the soil and people of a place instead of mass-producing a Christianity and exporting it everywhere? These are topics we discuss …
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S2:E31 Escaping from Religious Trauma and Purity Culture with Ashley Robbins
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Ashley Robbins and hear about her fundamentalist upbringing and how she broke free from that. We discuss religious trauma, purity culture, and Ashley's more expansive view of God. Warning: we get into some heavy stuff, so we just wanted to let you know if you have little ears around. Christopher…
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S2:E30 Deconstructing Dads with Derek Myers and Jason Elam
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In this episode, Christopher sits down with two of his friends, Jason Elam and Derek Myers, to talk parenting, specifically being a dad, through deconstruction. How do we teach our children about our faith while our own beliefs are constanting changing? How do our discipline techniques change? We talk about these questions and many others in this e…
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S2:E29 Segregation, Race, and Equity in the Church, Part 2
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This is a continuation of the conversation from Episode 28. In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Chrystal Brown, Chris Battle, and Mary Terry. Their bios are below. We discuss Chrystal's and Chris's experiences being Black in America and in the church, in particular. This is the second part of a two-part conversation. We also recor…
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S2:E28 Segregation, Race, and Equity in the Church, Part 1
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Chrystal Brown, Chris Battle, and Mary Terry. Their bios are below. We discuss Chrystal's and Chris's experiences being Black in America and in the church, in particular. We cover alot of ground in this episode, so this is the first part of a two-part conversation. We also recorded this video, s…
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S2:E27 Deconstructing to Freedom with Jason Elam
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Jason Elam, who hosts a podcast called Messy Spirituality, and is an author and good friend of Christopher's. We discuss Jason's faith journey, deconstruction, why the church is so opposed to (actually afraid of) deconstruction, and what is faith? We hope you enjoy the episode. Christopher and Maggie …
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S2:E26 El Camino de Santiago with Jan & Ernest Taylor
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talked with two of Christopher's long-time friends, Jan and Ernest Taylor, about their experience walking the Camino de Santiago across Spain. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for yo…
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S2:E25 A Conversation with Kevin Baldesare
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie discuss talk to Kevin Baldesare about his faith journey, how his faith is so important in his life, and a bit about what his life is like as a gay Christian. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacr…
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S2:E24 The Uncontrolling Love of God: A Conversation with Dr. Thomas J. Oord
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Welcome back to Season 2 of Spiritual Directors Talking About Stuff. We're so glad you're here! We have so many great episodes lined up for you. Today, we have Dr. Thomas J. Oord who will talk to us about open and relational theology and the uncontrolling love of God. This conversation was so live-giving and brings so much hope to a world where we …
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S1:E23 A Conversation with Sara Martin (Season Finale)
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie speak to Sara Martin who describes herself as an exvangelical. In this episode, Sara describes her faith journey that led her down the path of deconstructing her evangelical upbringing to where she is now. This is our final episode of Season 1. We hope you enjoy it and will return with us in the Fall for Seas…
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S1:E22 Women in the Church with Jenn McMillian
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie speak to Jenn McMillian. Jenn is the family ministry director at Buckhead Church (https://buckheadchurch.org/) in Atlanta, Georgia. We talk about Jenn’s journey as a woman in ministry. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening m…
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What is healing of the Mind? With special guest Josette Nard
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We are back! Join us as we kick off the final part of our Healing session as we go intra-personal exploring healing of Mind, Body, & Soul. In this episode we exploring healing in the Mind with seasoned therapist Josette Nard. Listen in as we learn what is distinctly healing of the mind and some practical ways we continue this healing today. Check o…
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S1:E21 Taking the Bible Seriously but not Literally, Part 2 (Final)
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie discuss Marcus Borg's book Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously, but Not Literally. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see w…
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S1:E20 Taking the Bible Seriously but not Literally, Part 1
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie discuss Marcus Borg's book Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously, but Not Literally. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see w…
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S1:E19 The Clergy & Laity Dichotomy with Jacob Theunisz
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie speak to Jacob Theunisz about the clergy and laity divide within the church. Jacob tells us about the original Greek words and what they meant, how the writers of the New Testament meant for them to play out in the church, and how the system the church eventually built up around clergy may be harmful to the s…
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S1:E18 Spiral Dynamics & Evolution of Consciousness
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In this episode, we talk about spiral dynamics. What is it? How does it help frame spirituality and evolution of consciousness? We discuss the stages of the spiral, their characteristics, and how we see this playing out in the world. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a li…
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S1:E16 A Conversation with Karl Forehand
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In this episode, Christopher and Maggie talk to Karl Forehand. Karl is a former pastor, author of 2 (soon to be 3) books, and podcast host of The Desert Sanctuary Podcast. We talk about "being who you are, and being where you are," as Karl says. We also talk about focusing and shadow work. Christopher was recently a guest on Karl's podcast episode …
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S1:E15 Spiritual Directors Talking About the Enneagram, Part 3 (Final)
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In this episode, Maggie and Christopher wrap up talking about the Enneagram. We talk about how the enneagram can be used for transformation, offer some next steps, and dive a little deeper into a different approach to the enneagram. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a lis…
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S1:E14 Spiritual Directors Talking About the Enneagram, Part 2
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In this episode, Maggie and Christopher continue talking about the Enneagram. We talk about the feelings (2, 3, & 4) and the head (5, 6, & 7) triads. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God…
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S1:E13 Spiritual Directors Talking About the Enneagram, Part 1
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In this episode, Maggie and Christopher begin talking about the Enneagram. We talk about its history, the triads, and the gut center. Stay tuned for Part 2 of the enneagram in two weeks. Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space fo…
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S1:E12 Your Favorite Heretics, Rachel & Derek Myers - Part 2
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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S1:E11 Your Favorite Heretics, Rachel & Derek Myers - Part 1
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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S1:E10 Stations of Deconstruction with Mark Gregory Karris, Part 2
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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S1:E9 Stations of Deconstruction with Mark Gregory Karris, Part 1
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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What can healing look like with marriages and partnerships?
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Sam interviews Kimberly and her husband Jeff about the extensive healing they have sought in their own marriage. Among normal life's challenges they have pursued healing through job loss, grief, separation, trauma, chronic illness, and Jeff leaving their shared faith. Listen in to this special episode as we explore what healing can look like in thi…
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S1:E8 Stages of Faith Development
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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What Does Healing Look Like Within Extended Family Relationships
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In this episode Kimberly and Sam explore the question what does healing look like within extended families? These relationships can often be complicated but politics, lockdowns and 2020 in general have spotlighted already existing strains for many extended family relationships. Listen in as we explore what healing can look like. Your hosts: Kimberl…
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What does healing within friendship look like in 2020?
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We explore the question of healing within friendships during this challenging time. Masks, gatherings, politics - individuals are making decisions that vary widely with previously close friends. What does this mean for the future of these friendships? What can healing look like in these times? Listen in as we explore this important question. Your h…
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S1:E7 Sacred Pathways and Spiritual Direction
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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What does healing racial trauma look like in 2020? with special guest Sheila Wise Rowe
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In this episode we follow our guide, Sheila Wise Rowe, exploring the realities of healing racial trauma. This episode is relevant for all skin colors. Sheila is author of the book Healing Racial Trauma: the road to resilience. In it, she tells the truth and offers stories hope. We are doing a first of it's kind here on AASD a **BOOK GIVEAWAY!!** Yo…
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S1:E6 Deep Dive into Spiritual Direction (Part 3, Final)
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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What does healing look like within faith communities?
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If you are feeling any questions about church and the current, or future, role of faith communities this will be an interesting episode for you. You will find yourself in the questions and exploration of "what is happening in the church right now?" Listen in. Your hosts: Kimberly Pelletier https://kimberlypenrodpelletier.com/ Samuel Ogles https://w…
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What does ideological and politically healing look like in 2020?
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In this episode we explore what can ideological and political healing can look like in 2020. We welcome Dr. Andrew DeCort from the Neighbor-Love Movement in Ethiopia as we explore both the ideas of loving the "other" and the experience of engaging the healing for ourselves, our neighbors, and our society. You will find this a uniquely challenging, …
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S1:E5 Deep Dive into Spiritual Direction (Part 2)
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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S1:E4 Deep Dive into Spiritual Direction (Part 1)
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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S1:E3 Maggie‘s Journey and Spiritual Direction Philosophy
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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S1:E2 Christopher‘s Journey and Spiritual Direction Philosophy
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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S1:E1 Introduction to Spiritual Directors Talking About Stuff
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Christopher and Maggie are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and Maggie at SDTASin…
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What is a contemplative approach to the racial tension in America?
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Recorded in June 2020 on the heals of the George Floyd protests, we explore a contemplative approach to the racial tension in America. How does our interior contemplation affect our exterior life? Are there ways we can approach this time in history with a contemplative path that ushers in justice? Listen in as two white spiritual directors explore …
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Pandemic Series Part3: What does hope look like in a time like this?
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In this special episode we explore the existence of hope. What does hope look like the time of a global pandemic? Sit with us as we explore what consistent hope might look and feel like in a world that is updating daily. Your hosts: Kimberly Pelletier https://kimberlypenrodpelletier.com/ Samuel Ogles https://www.samuelogles.com/ Sam's Enneathing Yo…
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Pandemic Series Part4: Are there opportunities in this season?
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In this special episode we explore opportunities for transformation during this time of global pandemic that go far beyond "trust God" and "have faith." Join us for a fresh way of seeing and engaging this strange time in our lives. Your hosts: Kimberly Pelletier https://kimberlypenrodpelletier.com/ Samuel Ogles https://www.samuelogles.com/ Sam's En…
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Pandemic Series Part 2: How do I deal with people who think differently than me about this pandemic?
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In this special episode we explore the question about how to deal with the the people who think differently than us about the global pandemic - whatever your opinions may be. Sit with us as we explore this frustration and outrage so many are experiencing throughout the US and the globe as leaders make varying decisions and individuals have their ow…
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