Vincanity - Teaching and Creativity in Schools - Noise of the Broke Boys Episode 001

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BBoy Vincanity, the creator of VincanitTV, discusses the creation of his popular "How to Dance" youtube channel, the arts in schools, the importance of creativity, and other fun things related to breakin'.

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in today's episode a sit-down with

someone I've literally known since birth

he is a hard-working b-boy that has

dedicated much of his life to helping

local communities with his dance classes

and helping worldwide communities with

his far-reaching popular YouTube channel

aimed at teaching breaking over the

Internet this guy happens to be my twin

brother and has been a natural

entrepreneur since he was a young kid

please enjoy the episode with my brother

Vince Anna D hello everybody welcome to

the brokest show on the Internet it's

not even on the internet yet but it's

all good today if you are watching the

videos you will be seeing double because

today I have my twin brother Vince Anna

TV here in the flesh so all the 12 year

olds out there that probably shouldn't

be watching this should probably go do

your homework or something you will be

fan bowing and fangirling out right now

how are you doing Vince I am doing great

I'm fanboying as we speak so dude a lot

of people never recognize that me and

you are brothers like I think that's

kind of funny I mean we don't look alike

but I think it's funny that they never

recognize us and do you know why that is

or do you have any idea what I don't

know am I just because we don't look

like cuz they associate us as twins but

then we don't really look like we ride

like people think you're twins you got

to be identical yeah like oh you're a

little bit different you're not twins

yeah well I guess like we hang around

well we hang around similar people I

don't know yeah I guess we just have a

lot of different interests outside of

like hip-hop and Breaking and stuff but

I always think it's funny because to me

it seems like if you see us breaking you

can probably put the pieces together and

be like those guys probably are related

maybe it's cuz you got a beard in a must

yeah no I know but before I had that and

long hair and stuff I feel like probably

because you before you had a beard or

mustache you had like long you're like

you're like me but with the disguise you

had like glasses yeah nobody would know

you're like a detective oh yeah but so

like but in terms of like breaking

styles I feel like you could probably

put the pieces together cuz what I

always tell people is like me and you

have kind of the same moves but we just

do them differently and I think that's

probably because we learned from the

same people and had this same kind of

upbringing I mean like I feel like Ted

had a big pet is like one of our good

friends and mentors yeah and he had a

style that I don't know that we both

like we're inspired by so I feel like we

got a lot of stuff from that guy and

kind of evolved them differently but if

you buy the pieces together we have like

similar I think the thing that's

interesting though it's like art like

even though we learn from the same

people like we don't really break alike

yeah like I've met a couple other people

that like break together and they break

exactly the same yeah that's yeah that's

told you you could do that yeah no those

are the real those are the real twins

except they're sometimes not twins

they're just a whole crew yeah or it's

just uh who told your whole crew you to

break away and then also dress the same

and then also look the same and also you

know have the same moves yeah and you're

in different countries oh wait that's

just a fighter cruise be buying not just

like other people's moves but their own

cruise moves yeah no that's that's

rampant in the community

today we're over here drinking coffee

this coffee is pretty good it's like

barrel-aged

what is it whiskey whiskey

barrel-aged coffee yeah it's like you're

drinking it in the morning it tastes

like you're drinking whiskey in the

morning so it tastes it sound it feels

like I'm being a bad boy right now they

like stick it they like take a whiskey

barrel and then they they put actual

whiskey in it to like season it like to

soak the wood basically and then they

just stick the beet raw beans in there

for I think like I think like a month or

so and then they roast it so it has like

whiskey essence in it yeah but not it's

not like it's soaking an actual whiskey

it's just the essence and they give you

these shitty straws okay they're like

paper like this crap is terrible like

it's just falling like it last it

seriously lasted for like 10 seconds I

know that straw is meant for like

downing a drink yeah no it's 10 minutes

yeah luckily I got this metal one yeah

shout out this sustainability

sustainability so you know I threw away

my paper straw but there's like this

plastic cup so I don't know

sustainability shout out to you anyway

okay so let's get into like what I

actually want to talk to you about which

is like cuz you've been teaching

breaking for a long time how long do you

think it that's been I started in 2005

so it's been like 15 years now dang yeah

I mean actually I mean I think like

that's when I officially started doing

it like professionally like paying my

rent and bills all the bit but before

that like Isis subclasses for people

like I Dietrich's was actually the first

person that was like asking me to sub

his classes and I go to this studio and

sub his classes but and that kind of

like like got me like thinking in the

right direction

but when I was in 2005 that's when I

actually started like doing it full-time

and quitting my other jobs that I was

doing and just 100% focusing on teaching

and and what what made what I guess drew

you into

teaching well originally it was because

like at the time that was when we were

like competing like every weekend and

like doing like traveling for

competitions and like whether it was

traveling the Bay Area or traveling to

other states or other countries and I

was just like man how could I find a job

or create a job that could support me

and also be flexible enough for me to

like go do something on the weekend cuz

the other job I was working at like

what's it called that old people home

yeah yeah old people home like there was

no flexibility like you pretty much

liked but it was a family-run business

so like the family members got all the

like good good days and the good days

off and then like everybody else got the

crappy shifts and like junk like I was

supposed to be a dishwasher but I ended

up being like a dishwasher aligned like

a prep cook like server the trashman

like they gave me all the crappy jobs

and so when I got offered a job to like

teach dance in like schools I was like

I'm out of here

did you ever have to like wipe old

person's ass no but I had to like I

remember like I had to like I had to

serve I main thing I did was serve food

and like clean their dishes and stuff

but when they started making me take out

the trash

I remember like some of these all people

would have like like literally a trash

bag full of alcohol take the trash up

every week I'm like yo check that much

alcohol in one week dude what the heck I

mean I maybe they're in there because

they have alcohol you know what I've

thought about though is like those old

people homes are like just old people

dorm for like college because it's like

you got your cafeteria there you get all

your food you just don't have any

classes now yeah like it's oh no what

they do with that class well yeah their

classes but they can ditch them and

they're just like oh you know Edna just

ditched her you know her like water

weight lifting class or whatever

for her pool aerobic like wheelchair

yoga yeah yeah no it's for real they'll

do that but yeah but it's not a big deal

if they're ditching the class cuz it's

like oh whatever you paid us for this I

remember there's this one dude who is

like he was super grumpy like all the

time and like he'd always be no matter

what you give him he'd be like upset

about it and one day this fool got a

electric one of those scooter things oh

yes and he comes down this like the the

cafeteria there's like a ramp that goes

into it so it comes down the ramp like

full speed on it yeah and weird we were

like setting up soup for them to eat on

all the tables and this fool tries to

hit the brake but is too late so he saw

and all the tables and like all the soup

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was like he was like way too much

confidence because he got this scooter

like horrible cafeteria no you're just I

think he was like embarrassed but this

will just like hit his face turned red

and was like I'd um how like people

didn't know who he was and also that his

cart wasn't driving like five miles an

hour and someone could just like walk

and catch him because before he had a

wheelchair and then like someone had to

like scoot him up the ramp yeah and so

then and like I remember like he's the

only one who would like some people you

help him with the ramp and they'll give

you like 20 bucks

this fool like not that anyone was

expecting money but he would just be

like ungrateful that you just helped him

big guy so then he got the scooter and

he got all this extra confidence well

then hey but yeah people like that

that's why I left left helping old

people to help these young kids

yeah no shade to old people but that's

hella funny so anyway so like so once

you started teaching eventually you got

into

put putting your lessons online as like

YouTube videos and stuff like what was

the inspiration for that or where did

you get the foresight that that's where

the industry was kind of heading well I

think like for the longest time I will I

had the idea because there originally

just there's so much bad content out

there yeah and like I was like man like

it's and it is literally like kids that

had no teaching experience like when you

watch them we need to watch somebody

teach you could tell if they know what

they're doing or they're just like like

just saying random stuff like hey let's

do a let's do a airchair let's just

stick our arm here and we do an air

check arm out

step two here step three flying is like

is like some bogus like like tons of

bogus material so I kind of was like I

was motivated already to do something

but I didn't have the like I wasn't in

the right place to do it I didn't have

equipment I didn't know how to film I

didn't know how to do anything

so it was it actually got to a point

where I was I was like started getting

into video and photography just to like

film dancing just like film our owns

like our own crew stuff yeah just so we

had that so I had the equipment and then

at the same time like one of those

biggest struggles for dance teachers or

just teaching artists in general is

sustainability and being able to have

like consistent work is always the issue

so it was actually like during like a

time when budget cuts were getting like

chopped up it was during the is during

the actually the housing market crash

mmm yeah mm their housing market crashed

people were losing their jobs and then

that eventually got to like public

education so most of my classes at that

point were in schools actually 100% of

my classes were in schools at that point

yeah so all my classes were getting cut

teachers getting laid off schools were

getting shut down so it was pretty bad

like there was like if you could imagine

like at that point every class had about

35 kids in it

mmm elementary school and say like this

school right here it gets shut down all

those kids got pushed into the

neighboring school so now each school

and that has literally like 50 kids kids

are sitting on the floor they don't have

a seat seriously so it was like it was

pretty terrible and so like the last

thing on their mind was like oh let's

have a dance class so yeah um literally

all my classes got cut so I was like man

how could I like continue to teach and

and like share material with these kids

so I started actually making tutorials

like just a beginner course like I'm did

like basic top rocks footwork freeze

and I made it for I would just send it

to the teachers I had just shared the

kids so they have something to learn and

like I want to say like within it was

like within a week I started getting

like random emails from kids from India

yeah yeah yeah like from like Indonesia

and also psyche or the I got any you

know kids break in Indonesia so yeah

yeah I continued to do it for about a

for the next couple months and like

literally my channel went from like I

think a couple hundred subscribers to

like like I think like it was like

thirty thousand within a couple months

so dang it grew it grew pretty fast and

I think it was just because I got that

time like I said like there was a lot of

bad material out there and people that

had no idea like how to teach yeah they

had no approach and at that time I was

like most of my classes at that time too

were teaching special needs kids so my

approach was very like like I guess like

it's from a very basic standpoint like I

have no idea what I'm doing to like oh I

could do a freeze now I can stand on my

head now so I was just like trying to

like going from like kind of like trying

to introduce it and one of the goals too

was trying to throw in like the legends

like b-boy legends in there no because a

lot of the people online they look the

only people they see is like Red Bull BC

One or they see like you know somebody's

teaching this video or

somebody did someone has their trailer

online and super popular but they're

like garbage yeah yeah so like I was

like man I got it like I got to change

that so I started get the real like

people out there yes I start like

reaching out to like oh jeez that that I

look up to I'm like here this is this is

who I look up to yeah you guys should do

your research on this person and like

have them share you know some of their

knowledge with them so yeah it's kind of

like I figured like if this is the

Internet age like where people are gonna

get their material might as well be good

material yeah that's a little bit of the

reason why I wanted to start this

podcast actually is because I want to

get I want to give a voice to the people

that I've always respected that don't

always get the you know the clout that

they deserve and you know maybe are

pretty silent in the in the scene yeah

they they deserve to be heard because

they're very knowledgeable and and

highly respected by people of our

generation yeah and I think that's the

tough thing too because people in the

the scene tend to get like lost and

forgotten unless the present people are

like preserving them yeah yeah for sure

a lot of them like they don't they don't

care about like Fame they're just kind

of like they just you know they do what

they do and they they are if someone

respects them they respect them but they

don't really care but like it gets to a

point where people just don't know who

they are anymore and so I was like man I

need to be I need to like make sure

these kids are learning like know where

this stuff comes from like you're you're

doing this move like like show respect

to like yeah who created or who

influenced the style or like who's the

reason why there is even breaking in

this the city so yeah yeah yeah I think

that's probably especially helpful for

people who don't even live in this

country or a country where breaking was

popular yeah yeah you know like India

for example or Indonesia it's like they

first saw breaking probably on the

internet with yeah at that point

breaking had already been around for a

solid 30

years probably right and so they don't

know anything that came before the

internet unless somebody put it online

and literally told them this is like

what we all looked at and so I guess

hearing the hearing the backstory you

know from other people I think that

that's helpful to those guys yeah I

think at that point there was literally

like some kid in like I think he was

like in high school or middle school and

like saying oh I invented this move and

I was like you did not invent that like

who are you who do you think you are

like yeah so then the like I and I'm not

someone who like I like I start breaking

in 2000 the year 2000 so I'm not someone

to even speak on like what happened in

the 90s or what happened in the 80s or

even the 70s so I feel like putting on

people that actually were there to share

their story me that that's much stronger

more powerful than me just like

regurgitating something that I heard so

that was the main read that was another

big reason why I wanted to just put good

information out there good put quality

sources out there mm-hmm so going back

to what we were talking about with how

your channel kind of blew up in other

countries did you foresee that happening

um not really cuz I mean my whole

intention was just to like have like

support for my current students mm-hmm

and then when I started getting bigger

like I was kind of like I was expecting

like the countries that you see breaking

in which was like Japan Korea France

Germany u.s. but there were so many like

what was what I didn't expect was all

these random places that I've never

heard of that actually have a breaking

scene yeah yeah so like one that was

actually pretty cool was Trinidad I

didn't even know what Trinidad was yeah

just new Trinidad jaded and actually at

that point I didn't Trinidad James

wasn't even out so like oh haha

someone's Trinidad James came I was like

Oh Trinidad

I get it now yeah did you well so yeah

with Trinidad you ended up going out

there to teach like workshops for a

while right yeah so there it was like

when I heard about Trinidad the one of

the guys that reached out to me he

actually eventually flew me out to

Trinidad and we did work I did workshops

out there and we like you know just kind

of connect with the scene and they

helped them at a competition adjust

competition out there so it was kind of

cool to just see like like this emerging

scene like their their scene honestly

like when I was out there a couple years

ago it felt like Sacramento or Stockton

back in like early 2000s oh okay cuz

it's so like secluded like yeah yeah it

didn't like you didn't see them break

like like I don't know what's popular

right now they just kind of like did

their own thing a lot of them were still

like they're still like focusing on like

crazy tricks okay which was cool cuz you

know back in early 2000 people were just

doing crazy tricks yeah like a lot of

them are like um blow ups which was cool

cuz like not everybody does blow ups

anymore yeah and Trinidad is like an

island off the coast of like northern

Brazil right yeah it's like it's um if

yes like right across like you if you're

in Venezuela it's like right across the

ocean from okay right above Venezuela

okay so they have a lot of people from

Venezuela that lived there also okay

yeah and so when you were there all I'm

picturing is like people with like gold

on there is I didn't know what to expect

to wait I think cuz I was like I've

never I was like do I speak English

there I don't know but then when I went

there it was kind of a culture shock

because yeah it's like literally a blend

of a bunch of cultures like in Trinidad

like like basically has a mixture of

people of African descent people of

Indian descent Chinese descent

and also like native Trinidad okay

people are Trinidad I don't know it's

Trinidadian but it was kind of like a

it's like a blend of all these cultures

like Chuck I think Chinese and Indian

people came there to harvest sugarcane

like when the sugarcane liking like

movement first came out they moved there

and then also I think African American

yeah African American slaves are

actually like moved there after the

slave trade ended so they moved from

America like from us down there yeah oh

so look so the cooking they're like it's

kind of like a mixture of like southern

cooking Indian cooking that's crazy

and there's even like it like a slight

Chinese influence mmm so their food

there is crazy it's like it's such a

blend of olive oil it's like soul food

meets Indian meets Chinese I guess

that's a perfect place for hip-hop to

breed because that's really what hip-hop

is is a blend of everything yeah

so that's pretty interesting so in

Trinidad was the the hip hop was what

was the hip hop scene looking like what

did had they did they have like their

own rappers and DJs and stuff or was

that still like an underground kind of

culture or did they know about American

music and I don't I didn't really see

too much of it but yeah I think they're

very like they're definitely influenced

by like American music and it actually

like Nicki Minaj is from Trinidad oh

okay yeah she I think one of the they're

telling me like they she used to like

slang CDs out there like I got a day day

and then now she's like super famous so

she's now someone's slinging her CDs

someone else is slinging a season-best

type but yeah they really see like I

didn't really see like MC like I mainly

just saw the b-boys yeah and the deep

like there was like some DJ's at the gym

I went to but that was about it

oh so they had jams yeah yeah okay so

they were putting on events and

everything so it was like a slowly

growing scene yeah

yeah I guess the infancy of its it's

still like it's interesting cos like

although it's a small island like to get

to from one side of the island to the

other it takes it's not like an easy

drive it's like you know a couple hours

so they're like mountains in between

yeah there's like mountains it's really

like beautiful country but like which

because of that like you see different

communities like oh I I'm in the south

and Trinidad I'm North turn dead so was

there any other countries you you went

out to do workshops for I think he said

I went to I went to Cambodia which all

get really cool I did I mean I was in

Vietnam not too specifically teach

workshops but I did teach a little bit

out there but Cambodia was actually

pretty dope because they're seen it's

kind of like like the guy who like I

don't know if breaking existed before

this but this is guy who's actually from

Long Beach who got he got deported out

to Kyoto which was kind of it's kind of

crazy because he's like he's like one of

the people who he's born in Cambodia but

emigrated here and then he got deported

he got into just some trouble he got

deported

but when he moved back it's like he

doesn't know anybody there he that's

gonna speak the language fluently like

so that's what happens to a lot of

people who get like deported like big

came here when they were really young

and so yeah and all they know is this

and their whole family lives here yeah

and so they get deported it's kind of

like you're like homeless pretty much

yeah that sucks a lot so but what's

crazy is that guy braked so he started

like teaching braking to just like home

like home a lot of homeless kids or kids

our just on the street and he kind of

like like birth a little scene in his

city is he the dude that created Tiny

Toons crew yeah yeah Tiny Toons yeah

shoutout to Tiny Tim Tiny Toons crew

they're doing good things in Cambodia

they also they have a full hip-hop

program they have like an organ C

program they make beats they have a I

think they have DJ classes and they also

teach kids like math and

English so it's like it's like legit

like tight helping the community dang

cuz a lot of the kids out there like

from what from what they told me they

don't get the opportunity to go to

school like oh there's no like they

don't have like a public school system

out there anything I think there's like

there's public school but I think it's

like it still costs money like it's

still like expensive to the point where

a lot of kids just can't afford it so

the that program takes kids that

literally don't get any education and

educates them and also gives them

hip-hop programs that's tight it's

pretty it's pretty dope like they're do

a lot of good stuff like in their in

their community how do they fund it I'm

not sure exactly I mean I know they get

donors but I'm not sure they might get

some type of they might get grants I'm

not really sure but they like they

literally have like a little taxi they

go out in the community and they they

get the kids they bring them to Tiny

Toons

teach them game and then they then they

bring them back home so it's like full

spectrum you got the hip-hop tooktook

yeah they got the hip-hop - yeah that's

that's really dope I'll have to reach

out to them - what's his name

KK KK ya he's legit like him in it is a

bunch of other people that worked there

they do a lot of good things out there

and they like something like even like

some of those kids got like

opportunities to like like perform for

like big performances and like be in

music videos and

something like I think like some of the

guys that got into DJing we're now DJ

like it events and stuff so it's

actually it's pretty cool that they're

like harvesting Talent

yeah yeah and education yeah for sure no

I mean that's definitely a thing that we

all need and kids need and it's good

that you are like helping that along and

not only here in LA but also out all

over the world really and so through all

that I imagine you come across some

really cool stories and so what I wanted

to ask you is like what's the most

inspiring thing you've seen in one of

your classes whether it's in person or

you know I workshop somewhere or online

or whatever it's I mean it's hard to say

I mean I guess in if it's online there's

been like a couple people recently that

that reached out to me that we're just

like saying thank you and there's

actually two people one one's actually

here for in LA and the other person is

in India and they're like hey I just

wanted to say thank you I started

learning from your channel and like I

think they say like 2012 or something

and they're like now I'm a professional

performer I own my own dance studio oh

oh dating like it wasn't even like I

like directly did anything but like I

somehow indirectly helped themselves

like crazy

that's tight so they they kind of like

you put them on the first step and they

took the next steps yeah I just like

doing it now they're succeeding and you

know thriving in the hip-hop community

yeah and then even like there's some

jams that we went to that like the the

person that was literally like in the

finals was like hey I got into breaking

because of you and there felt like some

other country I'm like s freaking crazy

like and now they're winning jams I was

like alright that's dope have they ever

has anyone ever come up to you and be

like I want to battle you now oh yes I'm

crazy dude in

like I was just walking on the streets

like hey people haven't seen you I was

like yo what's up man he's like I want

to battle you man I'm like I just ate I

ain't trying to battle you on the

freakin concrete concrete next to like

cars driving by the I'm not risking my

life to battle you dude there's like

doodoo on the streets yeah trying to be

sanitary yeah come on man we can't be

getting you know infections and yeah

fighting like for as far as I can

spiring things for me personally like I

think those are those are really cool

but for what I do like in the community

I definitely see like I work with mainly

low-income kids in low-income

neighborhoods so you definitely see a

lot of kids that have had some issues

had some trauma and so it's always cool

to see how that braking is somehow like

being a positive influence in their life

yeah this past year I worked at a

continuation school where pretty much

all the kids are in the same group home

so meaning they all have no like

parental like supporters at all or

figures and they all kind of have like

trust issues so like you walk in there

and they're just like yo who's this guy

like I try to size you up and all this

stuff

so kind of see like kids like that like

let their guard down and just like enjoy

themselves for a moment

mmm like that's like that's inspiring

for me like seeing kids that like these

kids are like literally a lot of them

you'll see them get arrested on the

daily for doing something and like I

seen kids like they're in my class the

guy that class and then mans like

something happened and I see them in

handcuffs but to see them go from that

like getting in that type of trouble

with the cops too like I'm just breaking

I'm doing footwork I'm having fun I'm

battling you got my that was about to

fight now we're battling yeah like to

see that change like even though that's

just it's a small step like at the same

time it's it's pretty big like mentally

like to be able to let your guard down

and just have fun yeah yeah I think

that's that's that's huge and to see

that kind of like transformation like

happen over and over and over that's

what inspires me because it's like you

you'll you hear about that cliche like

oh break and save my life right and when

you see it happen like live in person is

a different story yeah yeah it's like

you see it in you believe it now yeah

was I gonna say the do you see some of

that translate like outside of their

life like because they're opening up to

the dancing and stuff and now they're

opening up more to like other people

like you know I imagine that there's

probably a lot of animosity between that

the kids in the group home and like

maybe the people that like run the group

home do you see them opening up more to

them and stuff and like maybe even

letting in maybe some estranged family

members or whatever life that's hard to

say cuz I don't really I don't really

see that side I just see the side I see

is just simply in class yeah but at the

same time it's kind of like like a lot

like a lot of kids I've been through

like some type of trauma they they have

like trust issues and so like when you

become when they suddenly have a figure

in their life that's like a positive

influence in like like oh I could trust

this person I think it changes something

when you get when you're able to trust

somebody like it something changes in

your mind like yeah so your your whole

mentality is a little bit different but

in schools I see in the schools I teach

at I definitely see changes like you'll

see kids are like always being sent to

the office now like participating like

instead of being a menace to class now

they're like helping people in class

mm-hmm so I think a lot of things like a

lot of like issues that people have with

kids a lot of times it's like they don't

understand the kids like I had teachers

that were like I would think I would

consider them like bad teachers I've had

teachers that were just like they just

like a kid that's acting up they just

send them in the office

like call it a day or like kick them out

of class kick them out of school and

like they don't understand that maybe

this kids like going through something

yeah yeah you don't see the full story

yeah so shout out to all the good

teachers that you understand their kids

and like are actually like doing a job

to like you know keep them in school

versus kick them out

I honestly think teachers are the most

important like job out there cuz like I

mean doctors are important and stuff

obviously to keep people healthy but

like teachers are what keep it I feel

like they're the ones that keep everyone

together and like keeping the healthy

people making other people healthy you

know what I mean like it's inspiring a

healthy culture to be to thrive yeah and

good it's like you only eat you cup you

call the doctor when you're sick which

is which is good but like what do you do

when you're healthy but you also want to

keep the rest of your community healthy

I think you go to a teacher and also

like I think just like a good teacher

can kind of like set a kid on the right

path too cuz like there's a lot of

teachers and I've everybody PRIZE had a

bad teacher at some point in their life

that made them like hate something yeah

right and I think that's like I think

that's like not the teacher's job their

job is to like get you to enjoy

something so like if if all these

teachers in your life are how making you

hate school then you're gonna hate

school you're not gonna want to learn

anything no for sure so you get like

I've dealt with I've met kids that are

like in like sixth grade or even middle

school that still can't read yeah and

it's like yo somebody failed these kids

like whether it was their parents a

teacher somebody failed these kids yeah

and so I think that's like why we need

good teachers kids that teachers that'll

be like hey this kid needs help like

let's not just push him to the side

let's not just push him into some other

special class let's help him out

yeah I think that what they do is like

with the regular curriculum they go okay

this is what resonates with most kids

let's say

etienne of them so we're gonna teach him

this way and then the ones that don't

really resonate with this I don't know

what to do let's just throw them in some

weird program that doesn't help them in

like yeah hopefully they'll figure it

out somewhere but most likely they're

not yeah and meanwhile that's taking

over the course of a couple years in

there and during that time they're like

I hate school I you know they're going

from school was okay to like I want to

get the hell out of here and probably

drop out or whatever you know and so

it's like a good you know a teacher can

help and also hurt so it's good to have

it's it's important to have the good

teachers there that will go out of their

way to really like you know get to get

those students the help they need I

think that's also why like like these

the breaking programs and just art

programs help kids in schools because

like imagine if there's absolutely

nothing in school that you enjoy doing

you just dread like in school altogether

and all of a sudden now there's this

dance class that you just love like you

look forward to it you're gonna you're

gonna succeed in your other you're gonna

at least put effort into your other

stuff so that you could take that class

yeah so I think just having that there

it kind of changes kids whole like

attitude towards school because now it's

like oh this is actually there's

something fun like I'm making I'm making

friends versus before like you know I

was pushing everybody away a lot of

people think of bullying bullying it's

like like just bad kids but a lot of

times kids are bullies are like kids

that are like they're missing something

in their life feel like they're getting

bullied somewhere in their life by you

know whether it's like their parents or

some something is happening in their

life and they're like well I got also I

got to prove myself that I'm better than

that and they bully other people yeah

which they got to understand that it's

that's not the way to go but if no one's

teaching them they're all they're

getting is bullied all over the place

yeah they're never gonna learn either

there was a school that like I taught

that had crazy bullying like you like

you literally see fights break out and

the teachers like hey stop that stop

that

and then they go back to play dang but

like but kit in those kids were all in

my classes so like there were times

where when we're learning battling that

the teacher is like hey don't let that

kid compete against this kid cuz I'll

get in a fight and I'm like we'll see

yeah I'm like but what will you saw is

like these bully kids would like take

initiative and they'd be like the

leaders yeah so it kind of like like it

was almost like they didn't no one ever

gave them a chance and then now they're

like instead of like bullying kids

around they're like actually leading

their fellow classmates mmm yeah so

maybe there's some kind of like

leadership skill that they never tapped

into that may end like creative

endeavors are like helping them tap into

yeah I think it's also just like some

kids never get a chance to like express

that part of their mind yeah no I I do

think a lot of education nowadays they

they stray away from the creatives and

they go more towards the academics I

mean obviously I think academics is

important but yeah I think creativity is

just as important because it's just such

a like a fundamental human thing to have

yeah and I think there's been a lot of

study around creative the I guess the

creative mindset and how important it is

to development of kids in particular

yeah I think there was like a there's a

study at I don't know where the finest

of yet one of my friends told me but

there's a study that was showing how

like learning music actually aids in

learning how to count learning how to

read because it has that rhythmic

fashion' oh yeah so and then when you

add that with the social aspect of art

and music and dance it like it it takes

all this all that like learning to a

whole nother level yeah yeah cuz I think

that's a that's I don't know I don't

even notice this but with like some kids

that are like home-schooled sometimes

they end up hella weird yeah yeah I mean

I think it's it's probably because they

just there's a piece of

being a kid that's taken away from them

a little bit which is like the social

aspect and like the playful aspect

because I mean that not that they don't

play and don't socialize but it's like

when you're at school you're with all

these different kids and you socialize

with them all the time and you're like

they're you know to play around a little

bit and yeah it's like but as in home

school kid I don't think you really get

that yeah no offense the homeschool kids

but like wouldn't like you uh not I mean

we're both like awkward kids when we

were younger but like when you can't

like hold like actually start a

conversation with somebody introduce

yourself when you can't like like go to

somewhere in order a pizza order a

burger order a cookie whatever you are

like there there's definitely like

something missing and I think that

social aspect it helps kids like so much

so I think that's another reason why the

breaking programs help kids a lot too

because now they're they're forced to

like interact with each other yeah yeah

and they actually are learning like

social skills and so I think for me to

like when I got into breaking the

breaking kind of taught me social skills

mm-hmm it's like when you talk to

somebody you you look at them or you're

like interacting with them when you're

battling somebody you have to interact

with they do the same thing yeah you

can't just like battle like and do

nothing but it's gonna be a boring

battle yeah yeah no that's probably why

maybe all these like homeschool b-boys

can socialize oh yeah the guys that are

like on Instagram or whatever and they

throw some crazy combo and then they go

to the battle and then they just

immediately fall on their face and

you're like oh what happened not even

that but like oh well there's like that

you see battles and like there's no

interaction just someone does some crazy

move and you're like oh that's cool the

next person go that's crazy move but

yeah that's cool but there's no like

there's no connection like I think when

you lose that connection in a battle

it's like there's nothing nice boring

it's like is you talking you were

talking to a wall and then the next

person came out and they start talking

to a wall mm-hmm it's like there's no

there's no discussion so yeah

I think that interaction is important so

don't be a homeschool b-boy don't be a

public school interactive b-boy yeah

yeah why do you think that isn't

breaking I mean cuz it's I don't know

that I don't think that they're

necessarily homeschooled but I do I have

a feeling it has something to do with

social media yeah well I think it's just

this generation yeah this is the like

antisocial social media generation yeah

because the way I look at it is like

when me and you started breaking the

only place you can see breaking is at an

event yeah and like maybe if you had a

VHS tape or whatever that your friend

gave you or whatever but after watching

it a couple times you're like I don't

want to watch this crap anymore I want

to go see something live or I want to

see something else and the only place to

do that is at a practice or at a jam

yeah and so you had to go there

socialize with these people battle them

I mean most likely you're gonna battle

somebody there yeah and then she's like

you walk into a practice spot nobody

knows you they're like yo who is this

guy yes when we walked into Washington

Center when we're like 15 like everybody

pow yeah they're just they look at you

like hey I don't know these guys and

then it's like let's see what they got

yeah it's bad it's not necessarily like

some kind of turf war but it's just like

it's like trust it's yeah yeah exactly

the island trust is fool can he get down

I yeah and then they they see that you

got skills in that you're not trying to

eff them up or whatever and yeah it's

like okay this they let you into their

home now but yeah yeah they don't I feel

like social media makes it so you don't

have to do that anymore because you just

go scroll through Instagram or whatever

and you see you know whoever like

throwing some crazy combo and then you

take a video of yourself doing the same

thing and everyone likes it or whatever

and you're like oh cool I got friends

now but it's like no not really you just

have a video that people like look and

we're like okay yeah and I think people

have like their insta friends that they

like like leave comments on and yeah all

this stuff but then when they go into

real life they're like

okay okay yeah it's like they're they're

like they they're like on social media

they're super social but in real life

they're antisocial mm-hmm I think that

and I think that's like I feel like

that's not just dancers that's just like

this whole generation they're like

antisocial social media people yeah

that's it's it's weird ya know like I

think that's one of the reasons why I

stopped using social media a lot because

it I just saw that it's not healthy for

you to I think it's kind of hilarious to

they'll be like you'll see them in real

life and they're just like not talking

to anybody

yeah a bus out there like hey guys I

think it's so funny to see like people

with their cameras like up in front of

their face like walking around like

talking and stuff weirdest shit what one

time we went kayaking in um in Folsom

yes day one and like when we got there

there is these two girls like taking

pictures on a paddleboard and like we

went off on our kayaks for like two

hours yeah and we came back and they're

still taking pictures on the kayak I'm

like hey you guys are really like trying

to show that you're enjoying yourselves

on these cut on these paddles yeah but

not actually enjoying yourself in real

life yeah no I think I think when you're

thinking so much about what people have

you know how many like internet cool

points are gonna get yeah for like what

you just did you forget to have fun

doing the thing that you're doing

because you're like you're fun is now

associated with how many people like

what you do and so for me I was like

first of all I don't really care what

those people think about me in the first

place so like why am I even telling them

online because I don't care like the

people who I actually care about I

already know that I'm over here

so whatever and I don't care if they

like them over here or not anyway so

it's just like just go have fun you know

that's why I'm always like the last

person to take out a camera to take a

picture Kate my wife Keiko always like

whenever we go on trips we bring our

camera

to take pictures in both of us always

forget to like pull it out to actually

take pictures because we just are like

having so much fun doing the stuff that

we're like oh yeah I forgot the camera

is I mean it's like I think like if

you're a social-media influencer or

slash I don't know dancer social-media

influencer you just have to have a

balance like yeah for sure like if

you're at practice like filming

everything are you really gonna have a

productive practice like yeah likes live

streaming it like talking to your

followers like then it's like impossible

you know the filming thing is so weird

now with breaking when like cuz you go

to a practice now and everybody's like

got their camera filming themself and

I'll not that that's necessarily like a

bad thing I think it's good to like look

at what you're doing and give yourself

feedback but it's it's weird for me to

see that because when we started and you

brought a camera to practice people

would like give you the stink eye like

this dudes trying to bite off the stuff

some people would even fight you for it

like cuz it's just like it asks for

drama

I remember we got like we were suit we

got we like had like beef with some dude

because he like was like off in the

corner filming and was just like yo who

is this guy yeah yeah like who take his

camera away yourself yeah no it's I I

saw a lot of stuff happen like that back

when I mean it was yeah it was really

before like YouTube really was there but

um it was like if you brought a camera

to practice people like already didn't

trust you yeah and so it's just weird to

see that nowadays and I haven't really

adjusted to that that's actually what

like some I remember like there's like

all these people they're like oh why

don't you like film your practices or

short like post your practices I'm like

cuz I don't want people to see my stuff

ya know exactly I know it's like an old

school mentality but it's like yeah like

I want like I want someone to like be

like see my stuff in person like when

they see it I don't want someone to like

see it like like not completed online

it's like if I was like an artist like

showing all my likes like crappy

sketches before I like so my my

my final art piece yeah yeah which I

guess would be I guess it's cool in a

sense but like if you do like maybe you

made a progression video sure but if

you're sharing like everything like I

don't want people to see that like yeah

I mean that there's I guess there's some

novelty to seeing the process but I

don't think you got to show the process

every single time yeah and like maybe

out show like the only thing I would say

is like if you're learning like a Power

Move or or like something along those

lines then sure it's just a move but I'm

not trying to show people like my

creative process yeah yeah yeah I'm not

trying to show them unfinished like yeah

the unfinished stuff is like that's what

I have a problem with it's like because

first of all like you might be working

on something and then someone sees it

and then they're like oh cool I'm gonna

take that yeah the biters are out there

yeah any of you any of you do it then

you literally can't get mad at someone

bites it cuz it's like you'd like you're

just like you're fishing for bites yeah

and when it's unfinished at that point

it's kind of like you can see where the

move is going but you don't have it yet

so then someone's who's maybe more

talented seasoned they're like oh I can

do that today and then they're just now

that's their move probably and it's

probably your fault that it's a better

move and then you did it out of jam and

then people are calling you a biter for

the meat that they for the move you made

up they stole it I mean I mean fuck

those people who bid it but also like

have some respect for yourself by not

like posting it because you know you got

to have you got to hold something a

little bit dear yeah pick and choose

what you're gonna post because if it's

unfinished then you know go back to the

drawing board and finish it yeah for

sure

so the the next thing I wanted to ask

you was like what is the funniest thing

you've ever seen in one of your classes

mmm oh no funniest I mean there's a lot

of funny moments like I work with third

graders just cuz kids are like funny

they do funny stuff like

man it's hard to say I mean a lot

because this is cool cuz like a lot of

these schools I'm there the whole day so

I really get to know them I'm like like

I'll eat lunch with them and and all

this stuff and I remember like Oh some

kids birthday and most of kids I work

with right now are all of Mexican

descent so instead of like cupcakes they

brought conscience which is like the

Klan Mexican pastry with Oh bread with

like it has like some sugary stuff on

top yeah yeah and then I I know what a

Concha is I like this kid was like oh

you want a Concha for my birthday and

then this kid like popped up out of know

I was like oh what's that and this kid

popped up out of nowhere and he's like

it's a Concha a Mexican pastry that's so

delicious and fluffy and just melts and

you just like you get a lot of

spontaneous moments like and he was just

like he's like the spokesperson yeah

yeah he was like putting on a like an

advertisement for had some like you know

Jose's like bakery or something but yeah

I get a lot of like moments like that

where kids are just like just safe

random funny things I know you posted

this video that I saw that I thought was

like the funniest crap ever where there

was this kid I think you asked them like

what are the four elements of hip-hop

and like you know it's like Oh em DJ

breakdance and then the kids like oh if

I knew they I like when I asked I knew

that kid would say that too cuz like

that kid like you I think you must have

like an older cousin or brother that had

knows how to do air flares yeah so like

like everything we learnt he would like

you'd do random moves and you'd like say

oh did you like my air flesh you didn't

you just did a coffee grinder man Oh

everything

it was like funny because like in the

video he like visually like actually

looks like he's thinking because he goes

mmm air flare like it was all about air

flavor

can you air for there yet I don't know

he could actually do that like the start

of the air flare oh but then it would be

like the start of the air flare and then

he like oh that's it he like thought

that was an airflow

oh so he's on his way then there's so

many little kids that can like do some

crazy stuff now no yeah in like

Sacramento in South sac like you'd see

like like like sixth graders that could

almost do air flares it's like yeah yeah

no I mean I don't know I see some videos

online sometimes of like these I don't

know 10 year olds or whatever and

they're like literally flying yeah you

know they're they're doing one-handed

air flares and like you know I don't

know some stuff that I don't know back

in like the early 2000s you know one

could do yeah now it's I don't know I I

I look at it kind of like how in

skateboarding when Tony Hawk did the

nine the nine hundred yeah I forget what

year that was but like it blew the scene

up and everyone's like dude he just did

a 900 it's like the craziest thing ever

yeah and like nowadays if you watch

little kids skateboarding there's like

10 year olds doing a 1080 which is an

extra half turn yeah so I'm like okay

well these kids just like shit it on

Tony Hawk like if you look on YouTube

there's like some crazy like little kids

doing like like crate like legit combos

yeah that like like adults can't even do

yeah and I think it's probably because

their parents maybe we're like hip

hoppers or en boys beat girls and just

got them into the scene really young and

they'd like and they already knew what

was up so they're like hey now that

you're three we're gonna teach you how

to air flame yeah they're literally

flying yeah I think is that they had the

right mentor that

topping some crazy stuff at the young

age whereas like people from our

generation I don't think I mean unless

you were the son or daughter of like

someone from I don't know Rock Steady

Crew right but most of us learned when

we were like a teenager or whatever yeah

most of most people like just learn from

like like people you meet or like yeah

or just like influences from like your

practices or a jam or something like

that yeah so I see like the future where

this is like a thing that you're gonna

have like legit athletes like out there

doing stuff and now and actually now

that braking is going into the Olympics

in 2024 I I think we're at a place where

breaking is gonna be I don't know like

we're in a transition period where we

might see some some kind of crazy

changes in it because it's now becoming

like more mainstream and definitely

everyone's getting ready for the

Olympics and obviously the skill is

there like what do you think about that

whole thing with the Olympics I mean I

think it's like it's like a scary point

in like breaking history because we

don't know like where it's gonna go we

have a lot of good people that are like

like pushing it in the right direction

but you never know it's like when um

like when Red Bull BC One came out that

there was like some controversies people

are like you know what is this yeah yeah

we're we have a bunch of b-boys dancing

so random music that some DJ put on top

of it yeah yeah it was like so like I

think it's like it's a scary point like

it could definitely I think it could

definitely be really positive and go in

a good direction but it's also like

negatives where like people are like oh

my everyone's gonna become like a crazy

power head and people are gonna forget

about top rocks and footwork mm-hmm so

it's definitely like a scary point

because we don't it as a culture like we

don't know where it's gonna go so I

think it's for me a thing is like

like there's a ton of people online that

are gonna talk and like have all these

intimate conversations but I think

there's only a handful of people that

are gonna actually like take action to

like push it in the right direction cuz

it's gonna happen I guess it's in the

works is it gonna happen yeah so it's

for me I think it's on us like yeah

everybody as a dancer whether you just

started or you've been dancing for 50

years whatever it is like it's on us to

like steer you in the right direction

yeah cuz essentially we are the culture

like yes how can you step foot in a gym

you're part of the culture I look at it

like yeah it's it's going to go that way

whether you like it or not and so you

need to do something about it which I

guess like in a way it's kind of like

when YouTube first came around like it

was going to happen that breakin was

gonna show up on YouTube so it's like

either you're gonna be a part of the

progression of it or not and let it do

whatever it's gonna do and so um and you

obviously like put on that was part of

the reason you started doing classes

online and yeah but so like with the

Olympics I think I I personally think

it's a really good idea for it to be in

the Olympics just because it's gonna

it's gonna like show the culture to a

lot more people I mean I guess I I see

people's concern where it's like oh it's

gonna like take away from the art and

whatever and like I think that is a

concern but I think the best way to

handle it is to go okay let's talk about

how to make how to preserve the art

while doing this because it's a good

opportunity that you don't want to just

look over and say you know eff that

we're not going to be a part of that

yeah take the opportunity because it's

it gets the culture out to more people

and I think that's a good thing so I

think it's crazy to even think about cuz

like if you think about like 20 years

ago

like every like the biggest breaking

competition happened at a rundown

community center yeah I think like even

freestyle session like it wasn't in like

a glamorous like yeah and you it was

just like a random place it's on a dirty

like hallway floor or whatever in like

you know so like II I mean if you think

about like how breaking competitions

were 20 years ago to now like wow it's

gonna be on the Olympic platform yeah

like it's like oh yeah that was like a

dream 20 years ago now it's like you're

actually reality so it's kind of crazy

like thinking that progression I

personally think that breaking like this

it's a good opportunity but also it's

come so quickly that the scene I don't

think has had a chance to stop and think

and be like oh we're not quite ready for

this we need to get our act together

luckily we have about four years to like

figure it all out but like I think we

all really need to take some sort of

action to make sure that we are

preserving the art that we all helped

build yeah partially what's this podcast

is about I think that's like what most

people's concern is is like protecting

the culture yeah guys like you know for

us like this this is like for some

people and or most dancers this is

everything to them it's like this is not

just like something you do on your

weekends it's like this is your life so

once that gets like you know when

there's like some type of platform or

something that could damage that that's

why people are so passionate about it so

there's no question that people care

about hip-hop culture it's just like

steering it in the right direction yeah

I think you know people who don't know

anything about hip-hop and breaking

they're gonna see it on a big stage and

then go oh that's cool I want to know

more about it and if the narrative from

that point is being controlled by

someone else yeah you're gonna you're

basically putting it in their hands to

like tell the story you want them to get

to be told and so I think the better way

to do it is like embrace embrace the

Olympics let them in say hey we this is

a culture that we love sharing stuff

with so please come in we got a lot to

show you we got there's a lot of history

to catch you up on and like I hope I

hope that you find this as interesting

as we do here it is here's all this the

resources if you want to go into it and

this is like what we love and why we

love doing

and so I think embracing that and

letting it go with it you know and then

just having more and more people sharing

their stories so that we shape hip hop

and breaking the way we want it to yeah

cuz it's coming no matter what so we

can't like run away from it yeah so I

think it's just about like just putting

it like obviously putting in the right

hands which is our hands but you know

making sure that it's reflected in the

right the right light for sure for sure

so the thing the next thing I wanted to

ask you about is like what do you think

about music today you like for breaking

or just in general uh I think hip-hop

music like the thing that comes to mind

is like mumble rap and stuff like that

I man it's like it's funny because like

just as dancers like moat when we were

younger most people got into breaking

because they were into hip-hop yeah and

then now it's like I don't know it's

like you see kids that are into breaking

and they're in the mumble rabbit and

fuck I don't like it it's coming from

like the hip-hop perspective it's kind

of it's weird because it's like mumble

rap and breaking I think yeah yeah like

it doesn't it's kind of like like if you

were to say back in the day like oh yeah

I got influenced to be a b-boy because I

listen to Cash Money millionaires shout

out to cash money I listen to water in

over now and now I'm a b-boy yeah I get

it there was no like connection like of

course I listen to Cash Money

millionaires but that's not why I got in

a break yeah for sure I think that

they're like kind of different entities

a little bit I mean they're all under

the umbrella of hip hop but I feel like

the umbrella of hip hop is getting

bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger

and so you have this community of people

that are breaking which are just like

you know one little piece of that and

now you got like 90s hip-hop you got now

like mumble rap and you got out of the

things and I almost think that mumble

rap

it had to happen because like overall I

think hip-hop is like kind of a

counterculture type of thing yeah and so

like if you're doing it right you want

to do something different than everyone

else and so like I think when these

rappers came in they're like oh yeah I

want to do something different than what

I've seen everyone else do you know and

then they started mumbling you know and

you can probably argue if that was a

good idea or a bad idea or whatever but

like they were doing what hip hoppers

have always done which is do something

different than yeah the people you're

inspired by and push that along so like

I look at it as like you know that that

is that really is hip-hop but it's maybe

something you don't necessarily resonate

with yeah I personally have grown a lot

of attraction for it because at first I

heard it I was like I don't know about

this crap and then the more and more I

listened to it the more and more i

associated it with like punk rock how

Punk rock is like kind of a

counterculture they would like scream

they do like you know bang their

instruments and stuff and like they

wanted to do something different than

the rock and roll before them which was

like ac/dc and stuff like that yeah yeah

and so they were just like let's do the

craziest stuff let's yell out some

intangible stuff right I feel like

that's what these rappers did too

they're like let's mumble some intent in

inaudible or whatever you know yeah and

so then they made music out of that I

don't know yeah I think it's just like

it's like a different it's definitely a

different generation mm-hmm it's just

it's just kind of it's just interesting

I get to see the connection now I got

wonder if there is b-boys that were like

oh I listen to a little pump and now I'm

a b-boy yeah I don't know I don't know

about that it seems to me it's probably

hard to break too little pump but I

don't know me you could probably do it I

mean it's dance so like you know you

could probably find a way to do it I

think it's good as pride cuz like

back in the day like you were influenced

by like them simply just the music like

you heard a new song you're like oh I'm

gonna go Greek but now it's like you get

your influences from all over like

YouTube online movies like there's so

much more information out there that

I guess people get their influences

differently than you know back in the

day yeah which i think is cool because

you know it's nice to see all these

different influences coming into the

scene because now it's gonna take

everything in different directions and

and help it progress to something you

know maybe it's somewhere that we never

thought it would ever go I mean if you

really think about it you know people

like from Crazy Legs or like the other

Rocksteady guys generations they

probably had no idea there there was

people that were gonna be like hopping

on one hand spinning around like some

crazy power moves they probably had no

idea who's gonna go that direction but

then like you know that's the way it

progressed and now you see that that's

like you know those are elements of of

breaking now yeah yeah yes it's like if

you it's crazy when you look at like

like breaking from like 70's and 80's

till now it's like each year like

there's something new there's something

like people are taking to the next level

and something that like was like crazy

to think of now being like a basic yeah

yeah yeah definitely so we've been going

for a little bit over an hour

we should probably close the show out

soon but one thing I wanted to see it to

talk to you about was like some things

that you are like interested in outside

of like the hip hop world and breaking

world I know that you're like big into

food culture and stuff like just

interest random interests yeah just

random interests I mean I'm I'm really

into definitely into like just food like

eating not just not just like that like

I guess it's another counterculture

thing but there's like this whole like

foodie scene that's like Hello wack and

like like they all like if you if you if

you guys look up or if you even type in

hashtag foodie you'll see like all these

people that go to the same places and

like like go off all the hype so I'm

very into like finding my own

restaurants oh yeah

and finding stuff that's actually

I actually do try the stuff that people

are hyped about and then I'll like find

something that's better

so I through the years I've gotten

really into just like trying different

foods and discovering new foods and

actually like I guess you say being a

true food lover versus like a food hyper

but then also at the same time because

of that it got me into cooking oh so

like for example like I really like

Indian food so I got into like learn

like learning how to cook Indian food

and learning base I'm still learning but

it's like I think my love for food got

me into cooking and being able to

duplicate it and and make it better yeah

food to me seems like and cooking

especially seems like it's a very

creative endeavor to so I imagine yeah

the creativity involved in like breaking

and stuff kind of translates to cooking

pretty well yeah because I think also

like process is so important just like

processing breaking is important like

you could just throw all the ingredients

into a pot and which is how I cook yeah

and they will taste like crap yeah just

yeah you could just throw all your

breaking moves into a pot yeah it's

gonna look like crap but have you put if

you process it correctly it's gonna be

amazing

yeah yeah I know it takes you on like a

journey yeah you get you develop flavors

that you didn't realize could be there

yeah so it's the same thing versus like

you know you just do a bunch of moves it

could look it could just look like your

typical b-boy but if you process it the

right way you develop the flavor and you

become a flavorful b-boy or b-girl dough

I think that's a good way to end the

show so yeah cook your moves well season

it use some salt

yeah don't bring no blend potato salad

to the barbecue yeah Lisa come on you

don't need your raisins in our potatoes

I'll put that Mayo yeah so before we

close the show is there any last-minute

shoutouts or like plugs you wanna you

put

put out there shout-out to Regent coffee

you're funding this coffee yeah for

funding that's my wallet but also uh use

plastic straws yo and hopefully your

avocado toast is good I've never had

Alva kado toast before but we'll see if

it's good you'd ask Karen yeah where can

people find you

you kids Google search or YouTube search

of insanity v or if you just type in how

to breakdance how to b-boy or something

like that you'll pop up there or you can

find me on instagram @ @ e boy of

insanity well thank you for coming on

the show I think this has been a very

good episode and it's been good talking

to you let's do one little owl for the

Andy one two three Oh outro thanks for

listening see you guys peace

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