Business Consultant, Service Designer, Musicologist and Musician Christof Zürn takes you inside the minds of some of the world’s most exciting people ‘AND Musicians’. Professionals that in some or other way use music, musical principles, instruments and techniques to work meaningful together. Or in short: the podcast for People with a musical heart and a wicked job.
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Strings between MBA and AI with Anna Filochowska
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join us in our conversation and hear more about the journey from Poland to Germany and the US, from playing violin in a top-notch orchestra to getting an MBA at Stanford University Graduate School of Business and writing a white paper about AI and music. Show Notes Connect with Anna: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aniaf/ Berlin Philharmonic: https://w…
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Sound Walk in the Summer with Christof Zürn
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Today is a special episode of the podcast, not just because of the 50th episode anniversary but because there will be no guests today. Instead, you'll be immersed in a unique sound walk experience, a journey of sound I recorded in July in Italy. This is not just a regular episode; it's a sonic adventure. Open your mind and listening brain because, …
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A Love Letter to Sound with Nina Kraus
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We don't just hear; we engage with sounds. Our hearing is always on, and we can't close our ears the way we close our eyes, yet we can ignore unimportant sounds. Making sense of sound is one of the most challenging jobs we ask our brains to do. But how does this work? Today, we speak with Dr. Nina Kraus, scientist, inventor, book author, Professor …
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Sound Buildings with Ron van Leeuwen
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Today, we speak with Ron van Leeuwen, who straddles two creative worlds. By day, he is an architect and urban designer, shaping physical spaces. By night, he transforms his creative energy into music, composing pieces that the 55-piece Metropole Orkest has recorded. His newest composition, Architones, is also available on Spotify. We discuss the re…
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The Art of Freedom with Jennifer Roig-Francoli
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How are your habits getting in the way of being more creative? How does self-observation make you a better performer? And how can touching from a distance help you with performance problems? Today, we speak with Jennifer Roig-Francoli - violinist, healer, coach, author and creator of The Art of Freedom Method for Conscious Living and Masterful Arti…
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Music and Astrophysics with Dr Mariana Wagner
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Dr. Mariana Wagner, an astrophysicist, songwriter, podcaster, and composer of immersive live shows about sound and space. We learn about her journey that led her from studying oceanography, working as a songwriter for German Schlager stars and becoming a doctor of astrophysics. Mariana also brought some sound examples to the show. We hear a convers…
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Better English with Jam Cards and Anita Prestidge
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How cool is this? You develop a multisensory product to let people experience your ideas about music thinking and then someone comes along and uses your product for something completely different. So today, we speak with Anita Prestidge, an English trainer with experience in theatre, directing, and education. When Anita picked up the cards, she had…
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Science and Music dialogue with Carolin Seiferth
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Today, we are in Sweden, and we speak with Carolin Seiferth - a PhD student at the Stockholm Resilience Centre, where she does research on the island of Öland. Carolin combines scientific research with music to raise awareness about sustainability issues around the Baltic Sea. In this way, she inspires the audience to take action to address challen…
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Rewind 2023 - The Power of Music Thinking - Podcast
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Welcome to the Rewind 2023 of The Power of Music Thinking podcast, where I have conversations with extraordinary people from all over the world who are also musicians or use music in the broadest sense of the word to learn, teach, inspire and collaborate meaningfully. This year, we had 15 episodes, and virtually, we travelled from Nijmegen in the N…
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How Music Can Make Your City Better with Shain Shapiro
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Today, we are in Nashville, and we speak with Shain Shapiro - a globally recognised thought leader at the convergence of music, culture and urban policy. Shain is the CEO of Sound Diplomacy - a global research and strategy consultancy, and he also leads the non-profit Center for Music Ecosystems, which commissions research to help solve local, nati…
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The Sound of a Toy Dolphin - Special Episode - The Power of Music Thinking
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Listen to an incredible sonic project by a Design Academy Eindhoven (DAE) graduate: Louis Moeckel. Hear the story about the supply chain of the production of a Toy Dolphin and the creation of research into an artistic Vinyl record. If you like Techno and the Berghain Club in Berlin you will like this. See the show notes to pre-order this unique Vin…
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Standing still with Alexander Refsum Jensenius
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What is the use of standing still for 10 minutes? I was asking myself when I saw a post on social media. It was a double picture of a man with a mobile phone around his neck displaying some data, and another picture showed the view he saw at that moment. I learned that he stood there for 10 minutes without any movement, listening to the sound that …
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Sonification with Mike von der Nahmer
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Mike von der Nahmer is a sound researcher, music therapist, scientific collaborator at the German Aerospace Center and composer. With over 30 stage works and 100+ compositions, he holds international recognition. He has collaborated with GRAMMY, Kenwood, Sony BMG, Rolls Royce and BMW, and his music has been featured in TV series like NOVA. Mike sha…
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Musical Mind Hacking with Jeena Earthiva
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Today we are in Mumbai. We talk with Jeena Earthiva. Jeena is a Transformational Coach, a Producer with a master’s in Computer Science, an ex-Bollywood singer, the Founder of Conscious Music Code, and a ‘Mind DJ’. Jeena conveys her story of a successful Bollywood singer who lost her voice at the top of her singing career and how she found and devel…
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Sound Strategies and how things go together with Michael Spencer
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Why can elements from music be applied for the benefit of communities or companies? How do you effectively use music and music thinking as a tool? What does Beethoven's 9th and Japanese woodwork have in common? We are in the in-between space, between music and business, education and performance, listening and understanding, and London and Tokyo. S…
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Leading an Orchestra of Leaders with Harvey Seifter - Part 1 - Music Thinking
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This episode is about art, innovation and leadership. What is the relationship between art-based learning, innovation and co-creation? How do you lead an ensemble of leaders? And why do people often use the metaphor of a conductor when discussing leadership? Or, is a conductor actually just a middle manager? So, today we are in New York and talking…
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Listening to the Field - Special Episode
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This is a special episode about listening in the field and some activities I did last month. Hear more about a short field recording in the middle of the most dangerous roundabout in the Netherlands, about the visit to my birth town in the South of Germany, where I have recorded the Turmbläser, which are performing a sonic ritual since 400 years hi…
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Sound pictures with Charles Brooks
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Today we touch base on the intersection between music and photography, and that in many different ways. My guest today is Charles Brooks, an exceptionable photographer and musician, that for the last 20 years has been New Zealand’s most successful orchestral cellist. Charles held principal positions in Australia, China, Chile and Brazil, with conce…
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How Music Speaks with Ben Pelzer
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Today we are in Singapore; we talk with Benjamin Pelzer, Assistant Professor of the Wee Kim Wee School of Communication and Information at Nanyang Technological University. Ben is trained in Music Theory and Psychology. He works as an assistant professor and scientist with expertise in the methods of cognitive neuroscience, machine learning, comput…
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World-building and empathic storytelling with Eelko Lommers
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What are the links between daily work for a multinational company, an omnichannel fantasy story and playing in a band? My guest today is Eelko Lommers, Global Director Product Experience Design at IKEA, creator, designer, writer of a (not yet published) novel and a musician in a post-hardcore band. We talk about empathy with clients, personality in…
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A Sound Life with Dr Jen Palladino
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From the wild Punk scene in New York and London of the 70s to a sound healing practice in Los Angeles, my guest today is Jennifer Palladino, also called Dr Jen, a Doctor of Chiropractic, the Regional Director of the You Rock Foundation and a holistic health facilitator connecting mind, body and spirit with Chiropractic Sound Therapy. Her musical ex…
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What Music taught me about political journalism with Matt K Lewis
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What has political journalism to do with music? Well, quite a lot. My guest today is Matt K Lewis from West Virginia, a political columnist for the daily beast, former CNN contributor, TV commentator for MSNBC’s morning show, a podcaster on Matt Lewis and the News (pun intended) and musician. Matt shares with us that he started his career, or bette…
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Healthcare, Sound Healing and Mantras Rasa Priya
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Rasa Priya in conversation with Christof Zürn. Rasa Priya describes the concept and advantages of sound healing, especially the vibrations behind the chanting of mantras, which are essential in his teaching of vocal empowerment, like the word 'Om' that, besides the sound, also has a healing effect on our facial muscles, creating possibilities of ex…
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Are you a polymath? With Barbara Kleeb
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In The Power of Music Thinking podcast, we have conversations with exciting people that are also musicians. They see analogies between music and the areas they are working. So what they do is combine knowledge and skills from multiple fields to make significant contributions to various areas. In The Power of Music Thinking book, I call them the AND…
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Every Noise at Once with Glenn McDonald
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Well it's this time of the year. And I am not talking about the countdown until Christmas and the holiday. I am also not talking about ‘the word of the year’, or any other review compiled and curated by air quote “specialists”. I am talking about you, or better about your data, or even more close about your musical behaviour, taste and most played …
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Gender equality with Gabriella Di Laccio
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My guest today is Gabriella Di Laccio, public speaker, curator, activist, award-winning soprano and recording artist. She is one of the leading voices in the fight for gender equality in music. Listed as one of the BBC’s 100 most inspirational and influential women in the world, Gabriella is also the founder and curator of the charitable foundation…
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Conducting Design with Raf De Keninck
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My guest today is Raf De Keninck, executive member, director of education, research, and organisation of the Design Academy Eindhoven - one of the world's leading design schools. And Raf is also a performing musician, clarinet player and conductor. He played, for example, at the beginning of the 2000s, 300 concerts a year. We start with sharing the…
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Modular Strategies with Rikkert Achtereekte
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My guest today is Rikkert Achtereekte, customer director of sales and electronic musician. Rikkert works for the IT engineering company Schuberg Philis, which focuses on mission-critical processes. And Rikkert is a composer and performer of electronic music and gets together with some friends for a bi-monthly improvisation session on modular synthe…
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The Instrument with a smile with Dagan Bernstein - Ukulele
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Today we are in Hawaii. We speak with Dagan Bernstein, a teacher and musician passionate about designing and leading innovative educational experiences. Dagan is currently serving as Capstone Coordinator at an independent K-12 international boarding school in Hawaii with additional expertise in mathematics, music, and digital media instruction. We …
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The Sound of Nature with Hélène Seiyu Codjo - Shakuhachi
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In this episode, you can listen to a conversation with Helene Seiyu Codjo and the sound of the shakuhachi. Helene is a shakuhachi performer, composer and teacher. "In the single tone of the shakuhachi, the whole of nature can be heard whispering its secrets." Dean Seicho Del Bene We talk about the first memorable concert she heard as a child (there…
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Green Listening and how green vinyl records is revolutionising the vinyl business
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Special edition: Today, we reflect on the changes in the music industry and how we listen to music, from live concerts to streaming - via vinyl, CD, and download. And we think about the impact of our choices, the impact on the environment and what medium and behaviour fits best to your listening experience. Further, we visit Green Vinyl Records in …
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Performing in Japan with Bjoern
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Today we are in München, Germany, talking to Björn Eichstädt, Managing Partner & Co-Owner of Storymaker and publisher of the digital magazine “J-BIG – Japan Business in Germany”. He studied Neurobiology and was active in experimental music in the 1990s and 2000s. Björn takes us on a trip to Japan. From J-Horror Films, Japanese Spirits, Film music, …
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Finding your Side B with Paula White
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Today we are in New Albany, Ohio. We speak with Paula White, a globally recognized sales leader, leadership coach and author of the book Side B: Remix Your Leadership Style. We talk about how music can (re)charge the way you are leading and how leaders can work on their behavioural traits based on music principles. Paula shares with us the ten arch…
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Talking about the book with Xenia
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Today we switch roles: Christof asked his daughter Xenia to ask him anything about the new book: The Power of Music Thinking. Because Xenia was already a collaborator on the Jam Cards, a pre-reader of the new book and worked with her dad for many years, she can ask questions no one else could or would. They talked about leadership, followership, Se…
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Brands as Patterns with Marc Shillum
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Today we speak with Marc Shillum, Designer, Creative Mind and trained musician. Marc was the founding Chief Experience Officer of Matternet, a pioneering transportation startup awarded World Economic Forum Technology Pioneer. In his role, he connected the dots between Customer Needs, Hardware Design, Software Design, User Experience, Visual Design,…
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In this short episode, we look back on some conversations from last year, share tips and short exercises like a 1-minute ritual before a brainstorm and the listening walk. Show notes•Podcast playlist on Spotify•The Power of Music Thinking Book, pre-order•Latest Episode More infoThe Power of Music Thinking is brought to you by CREATIVE COMPANIONLear…
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Rules of engagement with Jim Kalbach
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How do you bring humanity to work? How do you connect with your team on different levels? Today, we are in New York, and we talk with Jim Kalbach. Jim is a noted author, speaker, musician, and instructor in design, customer experience, and strategy. He is currently Chief Evangelist at MURAL, the digital online whiteboard designed for remote collabo…
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A Sound Facilitation Business with Gerry Scullion
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How do you design for inclusivity? How do you get the right people on the team? What would a studio look like for a service designer? Today on the show we have Gerry Scullion. Gerry is the founder of This is HCD, the global human-centred design podcast and international design community of change-makers, and he is founder and CEO of This is Doing.c…
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The Jazz Process to innovation with Adrian Cho
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Why do people tip up to six times more than they already have paid? How do people deal with adversity? What do Jazz and Business have in common? Today we are in Canada talking to Adrian Cho, ex-IBM consultant, book author, wildlife photographer, artistic director of the Ottawa Jazz Orchestra, bass player and creative director of syncspace. We talk …
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Multi-sensory storytelling with Jasper Udink ten Cate
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How can you tell a story through food and music? Are all chefs drummers? Should prominent leaders start a band together? In this episode, Creative Companion meets the Creative Chef. We have a lively conversation with Jasper Udink ten Cate, artist, designer, futurist, keynote speaker, book author and drummer. He worked worldwide on exhibitions like …
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The Thrills of Business with Padraic McMahon
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What are the similarities between the technology and the record industry? And what is situational leadership? In this episode, we connect with Padraic McMahon, Customer Success Manager at Hubspot, a software company that helps businesses grow. Padraic has worked in Management positions at Google and LinkedIn. Before that, he was the guitar player o…
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Cross-pollination in leadership with Ilkka Mäkitalo
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Can we be successful in more than one field? What about the multiple me’s we have developed in different areas? Today we are in Finland, my guest is Ilkka Mäkitalo - musician, teacher, CEO, Co-Founder of Howspace and Conductor of Jyvaskyla Big Band. We chat about instruments, jazz and how to inspire young talents to compose for a big band. And we t…
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Music and the Brain with Artur Jaschke
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Did you know that music can help you to rewire your brain? This episode is about the working of music on the brain and behaviour. My guest today is Artur Jaschke - neuromusicologist and professor for music-based therapies and interventions at the ArtEZ University of the Arts in Enschede and he also works at the neonatal intensive care at a hospital…
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Deep listening with Sharon Stewart
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This episode is about listening - deep listening. My guest today is Sharon Stewart - creator of sound works, musician, poet, researcher, piano teacher and deep listener. We learn about the Center for Deep Listening at Rensselaer and the retreats that were held by composer Pauline Oliveros and the many ways to listen, for example like listening in d…
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Innovation patterns and improvisation in organisations with Wolfgang Stark
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This episode is about Innovation patterns and improvisation in organisations. Today, my guest is Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Stark - teacher and researcher specialised in organisational and community psychology and visiting fellow at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. With natural sounds, like birds and wind in the background, we talk about how to co-crea…
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Nifemi Aluko, Music as a Catalyst for Change
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We talk with Nifemi Aluko - Founder and CEO of kpakpakpa and author of the book Press Play, Music as a catalyst for change. Nifemi is a traveller between California and Nigeria and - as he calls - a Youtube inspired bedroom producer. We talk about his journey from a chemical engineer to an advisor for companies that want to enter the African market…
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Steve Keller, Blend sound science with sound art to make sound decisions
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Today in the programme we have Steve Keller from Oakland California and we learn more about sound art, sound science and sound business. Steve has a great title: Audio alchemist and Sonic Strategy Director, Studio Resonate at SXM Media. We talk about audio-only and audio first strategies in what he calls ‘the platinum age of audio’, how COVID has c…
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Michael Hendrix and Panos Panay, A mindset for entrepreneurship, leadership and design
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Today on the show we are in Boston and in Cyprus, we talk with Michael Hendrix, Partner and Global Design Director at IDEO and with Panos Panay, Vice President for Strategy & Innovation at Berklee College of Music. Michael and Panos talk about their experience as entrepreneurs, leaders, and executives and the interviews they did with musicians like…
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Roy Scheerder, Blockchain Philosophy and Collaborative Transformation for Change
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The Power of Music Thinking is brought to you by CREATIVE COMPANION Today on the show we have Roy Scheerder - co-founder of the dutch cooperative Faebric. In this episode we speak about Roy’s journey from hospitality to the lean and mean asset machine of the airline business and how to start as an entrepreneur with a cooperative. We talk about the …
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In this very first episode of the brand new podcast The Power of Music Thinking, your host Christof Zürn will tell you about the background of this podcast. Who he is, why he started a podcast and what you can expect every two weeks. Christof is a seasoned professional in accompanying individuals, teams and organisations to make the step from itera…
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