Episode: 28 Xenogenesis - Adulthood-Rites: I: LO Chapter 5

XenoThesis

In episode 28 Tino visit the village, is the center of attention and misses the mark on Oankali technology.

Timestamps

00:00:00 - Start
00:30:00 - Intro
00:01:40 - Stargate Atlantis
00:02:37 - New things you hear about on podcasts
00:03:15 - Michael’s Predictions
00:04:20 - Schrodinger’s Richard
00:04:30 - Chapter Summary
00:05:16 - Tino Arrives with Lilith and is forewarned
00:06:07 - A tentacular probe
00:07:00 - Tino entertains the village
00:08:00 - Dichaan and Akin converse non-verbally
00:09:20 - I think we were both hungry
00:10:20 - Spoilers in the table of contents!
00:11:08 - Cook your food
00:11:30 - Sketchy hopes for the fertility of the young
00:13:58 - Tino & Nikanj have met before
00:14:03 - Religion among the resisters
00:15:12 - Deadly tongues
00:16:34 - Genome Sequencing tongues
00:17:36 - meh we have a backup of these humans
00:18:17 - inadequacy of social conditioning for the Oankali
00:20:08 - Timing, ages and suspendend animation
00:21:20 - Oankali politics speculations
00:22:14 - Does Tino remember Nikanj?
00:23:24 - The nature of the falibility of human memory
00:24:13 - Richard ironically forgets the word for procedural memory [1]
00:25:21 - ‘The memory wars’ [2]
00:26:30 - Loftus & Coan - The lost in the mall technique [3]
00:27:12 - Elizabeth Loftus Expert testimony & ‘Recovered’ memory [4]
00:28:30 - Eyewitness testimony experiments [5]
00:29:30 - Undergraduate students are untrustworthy - Michael Glinka 2021 ;(
00:30:00 - Undergraduate students are too WEIRD [6] and its a problem - Richard Acton 2021
00:30:45 - Lilith is not harmless and her infant child noticed
00:32:27 - Tino recounts the story of Pheonix
00:33:20 - Tino dismises the trading vilages as primitive
00:34:20 - Water powered wood working shop [7]
00:36:17 - Dr. Stone Manga [8]
00:37:00 - Bootstrapping up to fertility medicine
00:37:35 - Materials science matters
00:37:19 - Oankalizon (TM)
00:39:31 - Ship Jerry [9]
00:40:20 - Speed superinteligence [10]
00:41:26 - Deaths of dispair
00:42:51 - Leah & Wray return
00:43:12 - A path back for the resisters?
00:44:30 - They’ve been busy - 20 kids!
00:46:37 - GOT reference
00:46:48 - What is being built? the new engineered generation
00:47:46 - living on a baby ship “neotenic larve” [11]
00:48:08 - Zerg!
00:49:05 - Star Wars reference
00:50:30 - Will the Oankali resource strip earth?
00:51:30 - resources and rare earth elements in biology [13]
00:54:48 - Your possibly sentient, self-replicating interstellar ship / village sucks
00:56:44 - Wray expects someone to seduce Tino
00:57:36 - Nikanj is being a bit creepy
00:59:26 - Not the good wrong, the bad wrong.
01:00:00 - Chapter 6 predictions
01:01:00 - to be posessive or not to be posessive?
01:02:35 - outro

References

memory:

• [1] Types of memory https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/memory/types-memory

• [2] The memory wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Memory_Wars

• [3] Some cases from the memory wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Loftus#Expert_testimony

• [4] A memoy of a thing that never happened https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_the_mall_technique

• [5] A short Review of the history of research on eye witness testimony https://sci-hub.ee/10.1002/acp.1487 (Richard was probably conflating a few different different experiments into Robert Buckhout’s 1975 study)

• [6] Western Educated Industrialised Rich Democratic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WEIRDest_People_in_the_World

• [7] Water turbine powered wordworking shop https://youtu.be/IdG7a5Lk3rE?t=2352

• [8] Dr. Stone Manga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Stone

• [9] Ship Jerry https://youtu.be/_SzXAFeQIjQ?t=61

• [10] Speed superinteligence, The age of em by Robin Hanson https://ageofem.com/

• [11] Neoteny retation of juvanille characteristics in the adult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny

• [12] Starcraft Zerg https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Zerg

• [13] Rare earth elements in biology https://doi.org/10.1007/s12210-020-00930-w

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