2022 Year-in-Perspective - Part Two

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Government bonds saw one of the single greatest drops since their inception and international stocks were adversely affected by foreign conflicts. It was a challenging year to say the least. But, we firmly believe that a well-researched strategy of diversification (across asset classes of all types) can help investors endure these down market periods. Listen to the second half of our "2022 Year-in-Perspective" for a detailed review of market performance last year, and, discussion of our hopes for 2023.

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0 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:07.300 Welcome back

1 00:00:07.300 --> 00:00:10.200 listeners. This is your host Tom romano, and thank you

2 00:00:10.200 --> 00:00:13.300 for joining us for part two of our 2022 year

3 00:00:13.300 --> 00:00:16.900 in perspective. Once again, we're joined by Casey Dillon

4 00:00:16.900 --> 00:00:19.700 to give us some insights on the markets and

5 00:00:19.700 --> 00:00:22.300 how they affected investors throughout the course

6 00:00:22.300 --> 00:00:25.600 of the previous year. Thanks for joining us again. Casey talked us

7 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.400 a little bit. How did the markets react right? I mean we saw both

8 00:00:28.400 --> 00:00:32.200 equities and fixed income have negative

9 00:00:31.200 --> 00:00:34.900 performance for the year. And what

10 00:00:34.900 --> 00:00:37.400 are we seeing from rates of

11 00:00:37.400 --> 00:00:40.000 return from the US as well as abroad?

12 00:00:40.800 --> 00:00:44.200 Yeah, well the the sharp increase

13 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.900 in rates reverberated across

14 00:00:46.900 --> 00:00:49.700 markets everything from stocks to

15 00:00:49.700 --> 00:00:51.300 bonds to real estate to commodities.

16 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.300 And in what we observed was

17 00:00:55.300 --> 00:00:58.900 sort of some interesting things

18 00:00:58.900 --> 00:01:00.400 again threads that

19 00:01:01.300 --> 00:01:05.300 We'd seen coming into 2022 for instance. The

20 00:01:04.300 --> 00:01:08.400 the growth of tech stocks

21 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:12.100 becoming a huge portion of

22 00:01:11.100 --> 00:01:14.600 the sort of the the US market,

23 00:01:14.600 --> 00:01:17.700 right? So if you you think about the Fang stocks Facebook

24 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:19.600 Apple Amazon Netflix, Google

25 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.700 They accounted for almost 25% of

26 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:25.000 the market cap of the US.

27 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:28.000 Coming into 2022 and they were

28 00:01:28.100 --> 00:01:31.400 the sort of those growth oriented tech stocks were the drivers

29 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:34.600 of the tremendous returns

30 00:01:34.600 --> 00:01:37.000 that the market had given kind of the past five years.

31 00:01:37.800 --> 00:01:40.800 Or even ten and and to the

32 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:43.100 point that there were a lot of folks who looked at that and said,

33 00:01:43.100 --> 00:01:47.200 hey, look are we out over our skis here this feels

34 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.800 very much. Like we're entering into kind

35 00:01:49.800 --> 00:01:52.800 of frothy Tech bubble territory

36 00:01:52.800 --> 00:01:56.700 and there were sort of the Hallmark things

37 00:01:55.700 --> 00:01:58.300 trappings of

38 00:01:58.300 --> 00:02:01.200 that that were that felt very familiar to

39 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:04.300 those of us who lived through the first tech bubble. So you saw things

40 00:02:04.300 --> 00:02:07.300 like the mean stocks right with games stop

41 00:02:07.300 --> 00:02:10.200 and Best Buy and sort of, you know day trading.

42 00:02:11.100 --> 00:02:15.300 To to the overuse of Leverage on these

43 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:18.200 and a lot of that was kind of being driven by

44 00:02:18.200 --> 00:02:21.300 this idea that you know coming out of the pandemic these

45 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:24.300 growth stocks. This was the story. These were the story

46 00:02:24.300 --> 00:02:27.700 stocks that people were gravitating to so so what happens people

47 00:02:27.700 --> 00:02:30.900 buy them up they to the point where the valuation

48 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:33.200 no longer makes sense. If you

49 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:37.300 take a step back and say well what am I buying right at

50 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:38.000 the end of the day?

51 00:02:39.700 --> 00:02:42.700 Investing is about purchasing future cash flows. And

52 00:02:42.700 --> 00:02:45.600 so you arrive at a price today based on

53 00:02:45.600 --> 00:02:48.300 some assessment of what you think those future cash flows

54 00:02:48.300 --> 00:02:49.700 are and what you're willing to pay for those.

55 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:54.300 If you get to a point where you're paying so much today for

56 00:02:53.300 --> 00:02:56.400 you know, this idea of

57 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.400 heightened future cash flows at some

58 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:00.800 point you enter into a world where?

59 00:03:01.600 --> 00:03:04.300 To to even substantiate the price you're willing

60 00:03:04.300 --> 00:03:07.900 to pay today. You have to have Perfection on those future casuals

61 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:10.400 going forward and the world doesn't work that way right? You

62 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.100 have a situation where Russia invades Ukraine, you have

63 00:03:13.100 --> 00:03:16.800 a situation where you have, you know pandemics and Avian flues

64 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.300 and things like that. So the world is just in that

65 00:03:19.300 --> 00:03:23.200 need a place where you can predict Perfection

66 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:26.000 for cash flows for things like yeah, Facebook

67 00:03:25.500 --> 00:03:28.200 Apple Amazon, and in fact what we see

68 00:03:29.100 --> 00:03:32.900 The the case for Perfection fell off the cliff in 2022

69 00:03:32.900 --> 00:03:35.200 because the the earnings for

70 00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:38.300 those companies started to turn around and go the other way and that

71 00:03:38.300 --> 00:03:41.700 caused Market participants to rethink the

72 00:03:41.700 --> 00:03:44.800 valuations that they were giving them and what

73 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.600 we observed was the Fang stocks lost

74 00:03:47.600 --> 00:03:50.500 collectively over three trillion dollars in market

75 00:03:50.500 --> 00:03:53.300 cap over the course of the year. So that that

76 00:03:53.300 --> 00:03:56.700 was a homos 25% of the total market cap lost in

77 00:03:56.700 --> 00:03:59.400 the US was attributable to those handful of stocks

78 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.000 right those those Fang stocks that you allude to. I mean

79 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.200 at some point they were you know, collectively very

80 00:04:05.200 --> 00:04:08.800 large percentage of common us benchmarks

81 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.300 like like the S&P 500, right they've been

82 00:04:11.300 --> 00:04:14.200 inflated and so when there is that correction, you're gonna

83 00:04:14.200 --> 00:04:17.300 feel it across the the industry across the all

84 00:04:17.300 --> 00:04:20.100 the markets rather. So I think that makes a lot of

85 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:23.800 sense a lot of our investors are evidence-based investors,

86 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.800 you know, Casey you and I share the same investment philosophy

87 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.700 of buying hold.

88 00:04:29.500 --> 00:04:33.200 Long-term taking a factor approach to investment management.

89 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.200 What how did factor-based investors or

90 00:04:37.200 --> 00:04:40.900 evidence-based investors fair in 2022?

91 00:04:40.900 --> 00:04:43.500 Yeah, so if you think about what what

92 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:47.100 are you doing? If you're a factor investor? Well yours, you're

93 00:04:46.100 --> 00:04:49.700 lazing in on specific characteristics of

94 00:04:49.700 --> 00:04:52.200 risk to invest in and those

95 00:04:52.200 --> 00:04:55.600 character those risk factors those characteristics of

96 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.200 risk that that you have

97 00:04:58.200 --> 00:05:02.300 been identified by way of academic research to have a

98 00:05:01.300 --> 00:05:04.800 premium or return

99 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.600 associated with that that characteristics of risk.

100 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.800 So you're trying to figure it

101 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.500 out and say okay, you know, the the tech stocks

102 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:17.000 is great example, the thing stocks if things become exceedingly

103 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.300 expensive. Well, what does that

104 00:05:19.300 --> 00:05:22.300 do? Then to the cheaper stocks the stocks that aren't the

105 00:05:22.300 --> 00:05:25.800 thing stocks, right? How are they priced relative

106 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.800 to these these growthier stocks?

107 00:05:29.500 --> 00:05:32.200 What historically we've observed is that

108 00:05:32.200 --> 00:05:35.700 there is a premium associated with valuation. Meaning

109 00:05:35.700 --> 00:05:38.700 the cheaper stocks tend to outperform the

110 00:05:38.700 --> 00:05:40.200 more expensive stocks over time.

111 00:05:41.300 --> 00:05:44.200 And so you enter into a world where the Fang stocks are

112 00:05:44.200 --> 00:05:47.800 ripping the cover off the ball and they're kind of the expensive growth stocks and

113 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:50.300 by comparison, the the cheaper value

114 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:54.100 stocks just aren't keeping up with that on the upswing and

115 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:56.600 you got to a point where the

116 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.100 market was collectively the one of

117 00:05:59.100 --> 00:06:02.900 the most expensive markets in history. Meaning that

118 00:06:02.900 --> 00:06:03.300 the

119 00:06:04.400 --> 00:06:08.200 thighs and weight of those Bank stocks across

120 00:06:07.200 --> 00:06:08.600 the market

121 00:06:09.400 --> 00:06:10.800 and how expensive they become

122 00:06:11.900 --> 00:06:13.100 lifted the whole market up

123 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.300 But the spread between the growth stocks and

124 00:06:16.300 --> 00:06:19.400 the value stocks became as wide as we've

125 00:06:19.400 --> 00:06:22.400 seen really since the tech bubble right going back to

126 00:06:22.400 --> 00:06:25.200 that that the the value stocks were

127 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:28.500 just so unloved and so beaten down my price relative to

128 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:31.200 the tech stocks. So if you're

129 00:06:31.200 --> 00:06:34.400 a value investor rolling into a year like

130 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:38.000 2022 when the the Fang

131 00:06:37.700 --> 00:06:41.000 stock bubble sort of starts to become deflated and

132 00:06:40.100 --> 00:06:44.500 those prices start to to come

133 00:06:43.500 --> 00:06:46.800 back to the mean if

134 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:47.000 you will.

135 00:06:48.100 --> 00:06:51.400 One consequent of that is is that on a relative

136 00:06:51.400 --> 00:06:55.000 basis those cheaper value stocks start to perform better. Even

137 00:06:54.100 --> 00:06:57.700 if the market is going down as a whole the value

138 00:06:57.700 --> 00:07:00.400 stocks tend to hold up better because it's the

139 00:07:00.400 --> 00:07:02.900 top end of the market the expensive end. That's moving more.

140 00:07:03.700 --> 00:07:06.500 And so we we saw that and in 2022 value

141 00:07:06.500 --> 00:07:09.700 stocks actually did quite well, they did exceedingly well

142 00:07:09.700 --> 00:07:12.400 relative to grow stocks large

143 00:07:12.400 --> 00:07:16.100 cap value outperform large cap growth handily

144 00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:18.600 for 2022. And

145 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:21.100 so if you're a value a factor investor with

146 00:07:21.100 --> 00:07:24.500 a tilt towards value that was really helping your portfolio in

147 00:07:24.500 --> 00:07:28.100 2022. We also saw factors like

148 00:07:27.100 --> 00:07:30.500 low volatility or

149 00:07:30.500 --> 00:07:33.900 associated with lower volatility stocks

150 00:07:33.900 --> 00:07:36.400 doing well across the

151 00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:39.200 board minimum volatility globally and

152 00:07:39.200 --> 00:07:42.500 also here in the United States. So those stocks that tend

153 00:07:42.500 --> 00:07:44.800 to be less volatile than the market in general.

154 00:07:45.500 --> 00:07:48.000 There's a return premium associated with that and of course

155 00:07:48.300 --> 00:07:52.000 in a year that highly volatile like 2022 those less

156 00:07:51.500 --> 00:07:54.400 volatile stocks had a premium associated with

157 00:07:54.400 --> 00:07:57.200 them relative to everything else. And if you're a factor investor who

158 00:07:57.200 --> 00:08:00.300 has a tilt towards minimum volatility you you reap the

159 00:08:00.300 --> 00:08:03.200 reward on that but it is as we sort of

160 00:08:03.200 --> 00:08:06.300 break out of kind of globally or looking at the US things like

161 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:09.600 small cap stocks and Emerging Markets continue to do quite well.

162 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.500 So if you had a tilt towards size in your

163 00:08:12.500 --> 00:08:15.500 Factor tilt that that paid off

164 00:08:15.500 --> 00:08:18.500 for you on a more broadly Diversified basis.

165 00:08:19.200 --> 00:08:22.700 And so you you started to see that these these

166 00:08:22.700 --> 00:08:26.000 Factor tilts in at

167 00:08:25.300 --> 00:08:28.100 a time when normally you would think a look

168 00:08:28.100 --> 00:08:31.700 if it's a risk off environment. Well Factor, it is

169 00:08:31.700 --> 00:08:34.700 a risk anyway, right? So you might

170 00:08:34.700 --> 00:08:37.800 expect for the factor exposures to

171 00:08:37.800 --> 00:08:40.300 be down it and to a degree you're

172 00:08:40.300 --> 00:08:43.700 right, but they're also relative to the other things that

173 00:08:43.700 --> 00:08:46.200 they're trading against and in that case they held up

174 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:47.600 much better than the market in general.

175 00:08:48.300 --> 00:08:51.600 And so a broadly based a broad

176 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:55.000 Diversified broadly Diversified Factor portfolio

177 00:08:54.100 --> 00:08:57.600 tended to do better on both a relative

178 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:00.300 and absolute basis than the market in general

179 00:09:00.300 --> 00:09:03.300 did and certainly more so than the Contra points

180 00:09:03.300 --> 00:09:06.800 of that things like growth or more volatile stocks or you

181 00:09:06.800 --> 00:09:09.800 know, large cabs. So so being a factor investor

182 00:09:09.800 --> 00:09:12.500 really was beneficial in

183 00:09:12.500 --> 00:09:14.600 many regards in 2022.

184 00:09:15.300 --> 00:09:18.300 Yeah, we've seen that in the performance of a number of

185 00:09:18.300 --> 00:09:21.200 portfolios that that you and I have talked about over the

186 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.200 years that you know, a diversified portfolio factors in

187 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.400 2022 albeit was

188 00:09:27.400 --> 00:09:30.600 still in the red at the end of the year, but not nearly as as bad

189 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:34.100 as some of those market like portfolios

190 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:36.900 or benchmarks that we've seen. I do

191 00:09:36.900 --> 00:09:39.300 want to hang on the value conversation a little bit. Right?

192 00:09:39.300 --> 00:09:42.400 We you know value as a factor you and

193 00:09:42.400 --> 00:09:46.000 I share the the belief that investors should have exposure

194 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.600 to value in their portfolios. And I know

195 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.300 over the years Casey you and I have had shared a cocktail

196 00:09:51.300 --> 00:09:54.300 discussing. What was the underperformance of

197 00:09:54.300 --> 00:09:57.100 value for a number of years. We saw the rise

198 00:09:57.100 --> 00:10:01.300 of the things which we discussed earlier and for

199 00:10:00.300 --> 00:10:03.200 Value investors. I think that they were

200 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.700 someone Vindicated in 2020 to but for

201 00:10:06.700 --> 00:10:09.900 those are out there listening, you know with this outperformance

202 00:10:09.900 --> 00:10:12.300 of value. Is there still room for Value to

203 00:10:12.300 --> 00:10:14.500 continue to outperform in 2023?

204 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:19.200 You know, I love the quote history rare

205 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.700 rarely repeats itself, but it often Rhymes because

206 00:10:21.700 --> 00:10:25.000 I think that that's incredibly true

207 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.600 across markets in particular and I

208 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.400 heard an a quote that I think shed some light on that and it's

209 00:10:30.400 --> 00:10:33.200 not that history repeats itself. It's that people

210 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.600 repeat themself, right? And so if you think about markets are

211 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.000 made up of people making purchasing and

212 00:10:39.300 --> 00:10:43.000 selling decisions across the board it it's it

213 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.500 should be no surprise that in a similar

214 00:10:45.500 --> 00:10:47.200 type of dynamic or environment.

215 00:10:48.100 --> 00:10:51.300 People might Chase things like large cab growth

216 00:10:51.300 --> 00:10:54.300 tech stocks, right? And so if you look back to

217 00:10:54.300 --> 00:10:57.600 a time that was very similar to that during the tech bubble where

218 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.900 you saw again Tech socks become very expensive and

219 00:11:00.900 --> 00:11:05.300 value stocks kind of be left to languish

220 00:11:03.300 --> 00:11:06.300 on the sidelines for

221 00:11:06.300 --> 00:11:09.300 some time when the tech Bubble Burst, right all of

222 00:11:09.300 --> 00:11:12.900 those growthy tech stocks valuation plummeted

223 00:11:12.900 --> 00:11:15.200 and value stocks had a tremendous run for several

224 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:15.400 years.

225 00:11:16.700 --> 00:11:17.600 Well, where are we now?

226 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.400 The we see these these Fang stocks the the air going

227 00:11:21.400 --> 00:11:23.300 out of them value having a nice run.

228 00:11:24.300 --> 00:11:27.000 So you might think is the run over. Well, if you

229 00:11:27.300 --> 00:11:30.600 look at the sort of globally the value spreads.

230 00:11:31.300 --> 00:11:35.400 So again cheap versus expensive we are still in

231 00:11:34.400 --> 00:11:37.800 the 90 plus percentile

232 00:11:37.800 --> 00:11:41.000 meaning it still one of the most expensive markets,

233 00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:43.700 right? So if we look at the, you

234 00:11:43.700 --> 00:11:46.400 know, nine out of 10 markets have been cheaper than

235 00:11:46.400 --> 00:11:51.100 the market that we're in currently even after 2022's price

236 00:11:50.100 --> 00:11:53.700 decline. So that tells you that value

237 00:11:53.700 --> 00:11:56.800 stocks, even though they had a tremendous year

238 00:11:56.800 --> 00:11:59.300 in 2022. The potential is there

239 00:11:59.300 --> 00:12:02.700 for them to continue to experience this

240 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:05.600 reversion to the mean of these expensive stocks

241 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.600 coming back down and value could have

242 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:12.000 a run akin to what we observed post

243 00:12:11.500 --> 00:12:14.700 the tech bubble in the early 2000 when value

244 00:12:14.700 --> 00:12:17.900 was really dominant for a

245 00:12:17.900 --> 00:12:20.700 good three years in the marketplace. Now,

246 00:12:20.700 --> 00:12:23.800 I'm not suggesting that that it will exactly repeat itself.

247 00:12:23.800 --> 00:12:26.100 But you see the dynamic there in the case

248 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:29.400 to be made for hey, it looks like there's still some fuel for

249 00:12:29.400 --> 00:12:29.900 this fire.

250 00:12:31.300 --> 00:12:34.200 And it would not be surprising to continue to

251 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:38.100 see value run relative to the the

252 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:39.100 more expensive stocks.

253 00:12:39.800 --> 00:12:42.300 Certainly, and you know, I think it's

254 00:12:42.300 --> 00:12:45.300 important for our listeners to know we're by no means suggesting people

255 00:12:45.300 --> 00:12:48.600 should speculate between growth and value. We think that you

256 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.100 know factors specifically value are our

257 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:55.700 long-term Endeavors and investors who maintain that

258 00:12:55.700 --> 00:12:58.500 exposure tend to do better over time

259 00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:02.000 is what I'm hearing you say and I

260 00:13:01.300 --> 00:13:04.200 and I lived through the tech bubble as you did

261 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:08.200 and you know, those those years after where value did outperform

262 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.400 they were still poor years, right 2000

263 00:13:10.400 --> 00:13:13.300 2001 weren't positive years in

264 00:13:13.300 --> 00:13:16.500 the market. And do you have any comments on you

265 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:19.200 know value kind of shining during those downturns when

266 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:22.500 we say values out performing. It doesn't necessarily I mean values positive, right?

267 00:13:22.500 --> 00:13:25.700 I think this is this the the Crux

268 00:13:25.700 --> 00:13:29.100 of why it's difficult to be a value investor because

269 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:32.300 I mean sexually value investing

270 00:13:31.300 --> 00:13:34.400 is not hard to get your head around by cheap stuff

271 00:13:34.400 --> 00:13:39.100 and hold it right like that's not hard from sort

272 00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:39.500 of a conceptual.

273 00:13:39.800 --> 00:13:42.500 Went to get the hard part is actually doing it

274 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:45.600 and being able to be patient through those

275 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.100 periods when it doesn't look like

276 00:13:48.100 --> 00:13:51.300 it's working because those are those come right you

277 00:13:51.300 --> 00:13:54.300 you have those periods where the the tech bubble

278 00:13:54.300 --> 00:13:57.100 occurs where the Fang stocks are ripping the cover off the

279 00:13:57.100 --> 00:14:00.300 ball for five years in a row and your value stocks are languishing.

280 00:14:01.400 --> 00:14:04.700 Most investors the vast majority of investors cannot

281 00:14:04.700 --> 00:14:05.600 sit still through that.

282 00:14:06.300 --> 00:14:10.600 that's why value investing well easy to to

283 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.400 sort of implement is hard

284 00:14:12.400 --> 00:14:15.700 to maintain and yet right what

285 00:14:15.700 --> 00:14:18.600 why do why do folks like you and I gravitate to

286 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.500 Value as an important element of

287 00:14:21.500 --> 00:14:24.800 kind of a broad-based factor portfolio because

288 00:14:24.800 --> 00:14:27.600 the data going back over time

289 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.300 suggests that if you can be patient

290 00:14:30.300 --> 00:14:33.500 through those periods when values not working the

291 00:14:33.500 --> 00:14:36.400 payoff for you when it comes in times

292 00:14:36.400 --> 00:14:39.200 like after the tech bubble when it comes when it

293 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.300 comes in times like 2022 the payoff for

294 00:14:42.300 --> 00:14:44.500 you for being patient through that period

295 00:14:45.400 --> 00:14:49.300 And maintaining that that value exposure is

296 00:14:48.300 --> 00:14:51.600 significant enough such that

297 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.700 over the total holding period you you

298 00:14:54.700 --> 00:14:57.100 end up ahead of where you might otherwise have been

299 00:14:57.100 --> 00:15:00.800 had you just had kind of Market level performance right?

300 00:15:00.800 --> 00:15:02.100 Just just broad beta.

301 00:15:02.900 --> 00:15:05.400 And so at the end of the day, you know, the question is, how

302 00:15:05.400 --> 00:15:08.200 do I out? How do I outperform the market? Well, one way to

303 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.300 help perform. The market over time is to tilt towards

304 00:15:11.300 --> 00:15:15.000 these characteristics of risk, which have shown over

305 00:15:14.300 --> 00:15:18.000 time to outperform the market and values

306 00:15:17.100 --> 00:15:20.000 one of those now what I

307 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.600 would say Tom is that it's incredibly difficult to just

308 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:25.500 be a value investor and that's all you do.

309 00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:29.300 Which is why it's so beneficial to have a

310 00:15:29.300 --> 00:15:33.100 blend of factor exposures to have other things

311 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:35.400 working when things like value for instance

312 00:15:35.400 --> 00:15:38.900 aren't so a good example of that is momentum, right? So

313 00:15:38.900 --> 00:15:41.300 it momentum and value are really nice

314 00:15:41.300 --> 00:15:44.600 pairing to put together in a portfolio because they're

315 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:48.200 negatively correlated meaning when when values down

316 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.400 momentum tends to be up and vice versa.

317 00:15:50.400 --> 00:15:53.400 So if the value investor if it's incredibly difficult

318 00:15:53.400 --> 00:15:57.300 to sit through those periods when value is not doing well with momentum

319 00:15:56.300 --> 00:15:59.200 exposures you end up

320 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.100 having things in your portfolio.

321 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.400 Which are picking up what's working and so in the case of the past five

322 00:16:05.400 --> 00:16:07.700 years a broad-based?

323 00:16:08.400 --> 00:16:12.100 Factor multi-factor portfolio would have value stocks

324 00:16:11.100 --> 00:16:15.100 in it, but it would also have some exposure

325 00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:17.200 to the fangs because those are

326 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.400 representing kind of the momentum in the market until you have exposure to

327 00:16:20.400 --> 00:16:23.700 that and and that becomes an easier portfolio for

328 00:16:23.700 --> 00:16:27.300 most people to consume and sit through and the

329 00:16:27.300 --> 00:16:30.100 real magic here is the longer you

330 00:16:30.100 --> 00:16:33.900 can hold on to any of these Factor exposures. The more

331 00:16:33.900 --> 00:16:36.700 you have an expectation that you're going to have performance that's

332 00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:37.200 above Market.

333 00:16:37.900 --> 00:16:40.300 And and the real challenge for everybody is

334 00:16:40.300 --> 00:16:43.500 to sit still long enough to reap

335 00:16:43.500 --> 00:16:46.200 the reward of putting that Capital to risk. So you just trying to

336 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.700 build a portfolio that people can actually stay in

337 00:16:49.700 --> 00:16:53.000 through these Market turmoil these ups

338 00:16:52.300 --> 00:16:56.000 and downs because if they can sit still there, you

339 00:16:55.400 --> 00:16:58.700 know it a bears make

340 00:16:58.700 --> 00:17:01.100 money Bulls make money pigs get slaughtered. Right? What does that mean?

341 00:17:01.100 --> 00:17:04.400 Look regardless of what your philosophy is, if you

342 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.200 maintain that philosophy eventually the market

343 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:10.400 will come around and rotate to you and pay you off for it. If you

344 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.000 keep jumping from philosophy to philosophy trying to

345 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:16.200 chase whatever is in front of you and get those returns. That's when

346 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.000 you get slaughtered. That's when the cost of

347 00:17:20.300 --> 00:17:23.700 Trading in and out eats up your returns that

348 00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:26.200 that's when you're catching a falling knife. That's when

349 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.200 all of these things that you hear why you might want to

350 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.300 not want to be a growth investor or a value investor or

351 00:17:32.300 --> 00:17:35.100 right? All of those things can be true. If you're

352 00:17:35.100 --> 00:17:38.800 trying to find those things because the timing is is has

353 00:17:38.800 --> 00:17:41.900 been proven to be elusive if not impossible. So

354 00:17:41.900 --> 00:17:44.000 picking a philosophy and sticking with

355 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.100 it as shown consistently over time to to be the way to go and we

356 00:17:47.100 --> 00:17:51.700 happen to believe in the philosophy of what's been

357 00:17:51.700 --> 00:17:54.100 shown from the academic research to be these

358 00:17:54.100 --> 00:17:57.200 characteristics of risk that pay off over time certainly and so

359 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:01.300 in a nutshell, it's time in the market versus

360 00:18:00.300 --> 00:18:03.600 timing. The market is the best course of

361 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:06.600 action. I want to hit upon something

362 00:18:06.600 --> 00:18:09.900 that you're alluding to and that platitude or

363 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:12.700 it sounds like a platitude to most investors, especially

364 00:18:12.700 --> 00:18:15.400 when the markets down right telling them. I'm

365 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.300 in the market not timing the market that doesn't mean much to somebody

366 00:18:18.300 --> 00:18:19.700 who's like am I gonna be able to retire?

367 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.500 Right, but you have to understand where that platitude

368 00:18:23.500 --> 00:18:26.200 comes from right where where that rule of thumb comes

369 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.600 from any and it is informed by

370 00:18:30.600 --> 00:18:34.400 decades upon Decades of observations

371 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.400 of how markets behave

372 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:39.600 and where returns to markets come from. Yeah. That's an excellent

373 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:42.100 point. You were alluding to

374 00:18:42.100 --> 00:18:45.000 diversification Factor diversification but diversification as a whole

375 00:18:45.300 --> 00:18:48.300 and there's one thing I'd like you to comment on, you

376 00:18:48.300 --> 00:18:51.300 know, I've been hearing in Reading in popular press and

377 00:18:51.300 --> 00:18:54.100 in the various industry trade Rags that you know

378 00:18:54.100 --> 00:18:57.700 diversification didn't work in in 2022. My

379 00:18:57.700 --> 00:19:00.200 thought on that is that I think it's a misunderstanding of

380 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.100 how diversification actually works and I'd love to hear your

381 00:19:03.100 --> 00:19:06.100 thoughts on that. Yeah. So you sort of

382 00:19:06.100 --> 00:19:09.400 come back to well. What are your expectations? I went

383 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.600 when when you hear someone like you or

384 00:19:12.600 --> 00:19:16.400 I say, hey a broadly Diversified portfolio is

385 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.900 is the starting point for most

386 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:19.800 investors like

387 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.500 Everybody should have if you're going to invest you should do it in a

388 00:19:23.500 --> 00:19:26.400 fashion that allows you to take advantage of broad-based diversification.

389 00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:30.800 If your expectation when you hear that is, oh, okay. I'll

390 00:19:30.800 --> 00:19:33.200 never lose money. Well, no that that's not what we're saying,

391 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.500 right? The the point of broad-based diversification

392 00:19:36.500 --> 00:19:39.800 is you're taking off some of the idiosyncratic risk

393 00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:42.200 of any one kind of investment meaning.

394 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.000 All I want to invest the only thing I know about is expensive wine

395 00:19:46.600 --> 00:19:49.200 French wine, right? That's the only thing I know about that.

396 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:50.200 The only thing I want to invest in

397 00:19:50.900 --> 00:19:53.400 So if that's my investment philosophy the risk

398 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:57.500 that I have is that the the wine

399 00:19:56.500 --> 00:19:59.800 market goes away people, you know,

400 00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:02.100 they're tasting preferences. They no longer want

401 00:20:02.100 --> 00:20:05.200 to drink expensive wines. We see

402 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.600 a shift in the in the wine market where French wines are are no

403 00:20:08.600 --> 00:20:11.700 longer as highly valued as California wines, for

404 00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:14.100 instance. And if I've invested in

405 00:20:14.100 --> 00:20:17.400 a bunch of French wines, just the shift in the market now, I have

406 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:20.700 a dramatic impact in my portfolio and or

407 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:23.400 you know fires in

408 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.700 California and drought in France and

409 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:29.400 suddenly the wine market has absolutely no

410 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:32.600 Supply. And so the

411 00:20:32.600 --> 00:20:35.300 price of what you're holding goes up dramatically, but then

412 00:20:35.300 --> 00:20:38.500 when it's gone, it's gone, right and then what do you invest in? So

413 00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:41.300 so the the risk of investing in any one

414 00:20:41.300 --> 00:20:45.600 thing you may know that thing inside and out but it's idiosyncratic

415 00:20:44.600 --> 00:20:47.200 to that thing. You're

416 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:47.900 investing in like wine.

417 00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:51.700 So, you know the idea is with

418 00:20:51.700 --> 00:20:54.400 diversification. Yeah, okay invest in wine, but while

419 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.900 you're doing that can we find some other things to invest in that are

420 00:20:57.900 --> 00:21:00.600 going to behave differently than Wine does

421 00:21:00.600 --> 00:21:01.100 because

422 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:05.400 If the risks come to bear for wine, you don't get wiped out.

423 00:21:06.100 --> 00:21:09.400 Right. So we want to invest you know in a fashion

424 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.300 that allows us to sort of achieve these long-term goals without getting

425 00:21:12.300 --> 00:21:15.300 wiped out along the way. So instead of investing in

426 00:21:15.300 --> 00:21:18.100 wine. Maybe we invest in, you know,

427 00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:21.100 small cap stocks in the United States and those are

428 00:21:21.100 --> 00:21:23.200 gonna look and behave very differently than the wine market.

429 00:21:23.600 --> 00:21:27.100 And maybe we invest in Emerging Market

430 00:21:26.100 --> 00:21:29.200 debt because we know that that's gonna

431 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:32.700 behave differently than Securities and wine

432 00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:35.200 and maybe we invest in treasuries and

433 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:38.200 maybe right. So as you start to go down that path you look at

434 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:42.100 all of the different things you can lay around that are going to behave differently

435 00:21:41.100 --> 00:21:44.500 from the other things that you're holding. That's not

436 00:21:44.500 --> 00:21:48.700 to say that when a systematic level

437 00:21:48.700 --> 00:21:51.600 risk comes along like a pandemic or

438 00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:54.500 Rising interest rates that all of those things aren't

439 00:21:54.500 --> 00:21:58.100 going to be impacted by them. They will be right your your

440 00:21:57.100 --> 00:22:00.800 wine your small counts dogs. You're you're

441 00:22:00.800 --> 00:22:03.200 treasuries, right? You're you're emerging market

442 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.400 that all of those things are gonna be impacted if there are

443 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.300 issues that are roiling markets across the

444 00:22:09.300 --> 00:22:12.600 board. And and so if you're expectation going

445 00:22:12.600 --> 00:22:15.300 into a broadly based Diversified portfolio as I'll

446 00:22:15.300 --> 00:22:16.700 never lose money, or it'll never go down.

447 00:22:17.100 --> 00:22:20.200 That's the wrong. I would like to disabuse you of that notion.

448 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.400 What you should expect is if any one or two of these things

449 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.200 are impacted by a risk specific to it.

450 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.500 I'm not going to be wiped out and that's why I would have a

451 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:33.500 broadly based portfolio Diversified portfolio. Now,

452 00:22:33.500 --> 00:22:36.000 I will say that if a part of your

453 00:22:36.800 --> 00:22:39.800 diversification are things like Factor exposures. Well, you

454 00:22:39.800 --> 00:22:42.400 you end up often doing

455 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.200 better than the market even if the markets down

456 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.200 and your portfolio is down you end up doing a

457 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:50.100 bit better than the market did in general.

458 00:22:51.100 --> 00:22:54.500 And if you look at like a sick just a generic 60 40 portfolio.

459 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.700 It was one of the worst years on record for.

460 00:22:59.100 --> 00:23:00.600 1640 board folios

461 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.200 because stocks and bonds both went down

462 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.600 dramatically in fact bonds had a historically bad year led

463 00:23:07.600 --> 00:23:10.300 by treasuries which had the

464 00:23:10.300 --> 00:23:13.300 worst year since the you know in 200 and

465 00:23:13.300 --> 00:23:16.300 something years, right? So a 60 40

466 00:23:16.300 --> 00:23:20.500 a broad base 640 portfolio being down is unusual.

467 00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:22.300 It's Unique to have

468 00:23:22.300 --> 00:23:25.300 that experience, but it's also

469 00:23:25.300 --> 00:23:29.100 not unexpected given the the

470 00:23:28.100 --> 00:23:31.100 Catalyst for why all of those

471 00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:31.900 things were down.

472 00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:35.800 That doesn't mean you abandon that that

473 00:23:35.800 --> 00:23:38.300 investing discipline. It just means that

474 00:23:38.300 --> 00:23:43.000 you should expect there are going to be times when broad-based

475 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.100 diversification isn't going to

476 00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:48.800 be the thing that saves you from experiencing a

477 00:23:48.800 --> 00:23:49.500 downmark.

478 00:23:50.300 --> 00:23:53.300 So it sounds like there's like two two things that you're bringing

479 00:23:53.300 --> 00:23:56.800 up here, right diversification certainly provides you with some

480 00:23:56.800 --> 00:23:59.700 protection from concentrated stock concentrated

481 00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:02.300 industry or even sector right? Like you bring

482 00:24:02.300 --> 00:24:06.000 up wine a great way to sort of

483 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:10.300 balance that out by maintaining diversification. But however diversification is

484 00:24:10.300 --> 00:24:13.600 not going to necessarily protect you from the natural ebb and

485 00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:16.400 flows of the market, right? Those are gonna continue to happen

486 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.400 but the market risk and I

487 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:23.000 think you would agree is that that's what rewards investors for deploying

488 00:24:22.100 --> 00:24:25.200 their Capital into the market. Why would I invest

489 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.500 broadly in you know, the S&P 500 well because

490 00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:31.300 there's risk associated broadly with the SD, but and

491 00:24:31.300 --> 00:24:34.700 I should be paid for doing so you're absolutely spot on right? Yeah. Why

492 00:24:34.700 --> 00:24:37.200 are we investing in anything because there's risk associated with

493 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.200 it and that risk generates return, right? Yeah risk and return our

494 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.600 absolutely Inseparable and I think it's it behooves investor

495 00:24:43.600 --> 00:24:46.200 to keep that investors to keep that sort of Mantra in

496 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.200 mind so Casey, thank you so much for

497 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:50.100 your comments. I do have

498 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.500 Last question for you, you know, we covered the current events

499 00:24:53.500 --> 00:24:57.100 how that affected the markets, you know investors are

500 00:24:56.100 --> 00:24:59.400 listeners are looking at the retirement

501 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.500 accounts. They're seeing a lot of red. What advice

502 00:25:02.500 --> 00:25:05.300 would you give investors? What should

503 00:25:05.300 --> 00:25:08.100 they do going into 2023? What are some of the things investors could be

504 00:25:08.100 --> 00:25:11.800 doing now? Well, you know, my my knee jerk

505 00:25:11.800 --> 00:25:14.200 response to that is nothing right. So if you're

506 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.000 if you're a discipline investor maintain that discipline, right?

507 00:25:17.300 --> 00:25:20.600 There's no question 2022 was challenging year

508 00:25:20.600 --> 00:25:23.300 for investors. And there is likely,

509 00:25:23.300 --> 00:25:26.500 you know, these issues that we've been talking about they're not resolved.

510 00:25:26.900 --> 00:25:29.800 Right and in and in fact, there will be other things

511 00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:32.300 that will Royal the markets layered on

512 00:25:32.300 --> 00:25:35.400 top of these like for instance a fight over

513 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:36.300 the debt ceiling, right?

514 00:25:37.300 --> 00:25:40.700 So there's likely more turbulence ahead. However, right the

515 00:25:40.700 --> 00:25:44.200 the best option for the long-term investor is

516 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.300 to find a philosophy that

517 00:25:46.300 --> 00:25:49.500 makes sense for them build a portfolio around that and

518 00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:53.100 then maintain the course maintain

519 00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:54.200 the discipline.

520 00:25:55.800 --> 00:25:58.300 Through up markets down markets, you know turbulence in

521 00:25:58.300 --> 00:26:02.000 the headlines the it's the discipline of maintaining

522 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.800 that philosophy over time that is provides the

523 00:26:04.800 --> 00:26:07.600 reward for long-term investors and their steadfast

524 00:26:07.600 --> 00:26:08.000 patients.

525 00:26:08.800 --> 00:26:12.700 Through these short-term Market movements or macroeconomic

526 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.300 events are the things

527 00:26:14.300 --> 00:26:18.000 that are going to generate returns for them over the next Century, right? That's

528 00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:20.900 it just is what it is. It's what it has been for

529 00:26:20.900 --> 00:26:23.600 those investors who are looking at 2023 here are

530 00:26:23.600 --> 00:26:26.400 some statistics. Hopefully that will Empower you to maintain

531 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.800 the course over the sort of the past Century

532 00:26:29.800 --> 00:26:32.600 the US has endured 15

533 00:26:32.600 --> 00:26:33.600 recessions.

534 00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:37.700 In 11 of the 15 or 73% in

535 00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:37.800 time.

536 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.500 Returns on stocks were positive two years after the

537 00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:42.300 recession began.

538 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.900 With an annualized average Market return 7.8% So

539 00:26:46.900 --> 00:26:49.800 if you're concern going into 2023 is always

540 00:26:49.800 --> 00:26:52.100 it gonna tip into recession. Should we be concerned with

541 00:26:52.100 --> 00:26:55.700 what the FED is doing? Are they gonna go too far? My answer to you

542 00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:59.100 would be look recessions are not new with the

543 00:26:58.100 --> 00:27:00.300 we've experienced them.

544 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:04.300 Over time in fact more frequently than

545 00:27:04.300 --> 00:27:07.200 you would think and yet in a vast majority of those

546 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.100 recessions. If you just have the patience to ride through

547 00:27:10.100 --> 00:27:13.400 it you're rewarded on the back end of that to to

548 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:16.300 the tune of sort of a healthy average annual Market return of

549 00:27:16.300 --> 00:27:16.800 almost 8%

550 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.500 So going into 2023 expect volatility

551 00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:23.300 expect there to be things playing out in the headlines. Do not

552 00:27:23.300 --> 00:27:27.000 let that pull you away from the long-term

553 00:27:26.600 --> 00:27:29.800 discipline and know that the the

554 00:27:29.800 --> 00:27:33.200 rationale for why you're investing over

555 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.400 the long term is sound and

556 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.400 you have expectation that this too

557 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.500 shall pass and I'll be rewarded for that patients.

558 00:27:41.300 --> 00:27:44.500 Yeah, absolutely discipline and patience tends to be the biggest Catalyst

559 00:27:44.500 --> 00:27:47.600 for rewards for investors over the long term and going

560 00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:51.000 into 2023, you know investors who might be uneasy

561 00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:54.000 unable to sleep at night concerned about their portfolios.

562 00:27:53.300 --> 00:27:56.500 They should go meet with their financial advisor.

563 00:27:56.500 --> 00:27:59.500 Make sure that their current asset allocation is aligned with

564 00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:02.200 their financial plan and their long-term goals

565 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:06.100 and objectives and you know, I think staying

566 00:28:05.100 --> 00:28:09.300 the course and remaining disciplined makes the

567 00:28:08.300 --> 00:28:11.700 most sense but making

568 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:14.500 sure that your portfolio is aligned with what you want to achieve with.

569 00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:17.500 Your hard-earned capital is something investors could

570 00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:20.600 be doing into 2023 and then expect your

571 00:28:20.600 --> 00:28:23.300 advisor say everything's gonna be fine unless there's

572 00:28:23.300 --> 00:28:27.200 some sort of life-changing event that happens with the

573 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.700 investor not necessarily the markets

574 00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:32.100 Casey. Thank you so much for your insights today.

575 00:28:32.100 --> 00:28:35.100 It's always a pleasure. We love talking to you and

576 00:28:35.100 --> 00:28:38.000 we look to have you back over the next

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