109. How to Sidestep ERP Pitfalls for the Detail-Minded with Ben Eckstein

The OCD Whisperer Podcast with Kristina Orlova

Have you ever wondered why some people don't seem to have success with ERP therapy, despite its proven effectiveness? ERP has helped countless individuals regain control of their lives and find relief from the debilitating symptoms that often accompany anxiety disorders.

However, it's essential to recognize that despite the effectiveness of ERP therapy, there are common mistakes that people make which can hinder their progress

In today’s episode of The OCD Whisperer Podcast, sit down with Ben Eckstein, a renowned expert in the treatment of anxiety and OCD, and the owner and director of City Anxiety and OCD Treatment Center in Durham, North Carolina.

During our conversation, we explore the nuances of treating OCD with exposure and response prevention (ERP). We discuss the importance of managing mental compulsions and rumination, emphasizing the need for a diverse set of coping skills and intentional practice. Our conversation also covers the influence of attachment styles on OCD and the significance of addressing underlying psychological factors. Ben shares insights on building trust in relationships and concludes by discussing his book, "Worrying is Optional."

In This Episode

• [00:43] Introduction to Ben
• [01:26] Ben’s involvement with OCD North Carolina
• [02:59] Identifying ERP pitfalls
• [04:46] White knuckling and acceptance
• [06:19] Approaching uncomfortable feelings
• [15:57] Managing downtime and mental compulsions
• [25:38] Developing diverse coping skills
• [28:17] Attachment theory in the context of OCD
• [31:13] Trusting in yourself and others
• [32:38] The role of experiential learning

Notable Quotes

• [05:32] "Acceptance is a process, it's not an outcome." - Ben
• [12:34] “I think that process of worrying, ruminating all the, the sort of over-analysis and examination that we do, these are complicated behaviors.” -Ben
• [29:23]” I always think OCD is lazy. Like it's going to take the easiest path to like, hey, like where is this person vulnerable.” -Ben

Our Guests

Ben Eckstein is the owner and director of Bull City Anxiety & OCD Treatment Center, he moved from Massachusetts to North Carolina in 2014. Trained at McLean Hospital’s OCD Institute, he boasts over a decade of experience in treating OCD and Anxiety Disorders. Serving as VP of OCD North Carolina, Ben offers training and workshops, alongside his clinical work. He is also the author of "Worrying is Optional" a book that tackles anxiety and rumination head-on.

Resources & Links

Kristina Orlova, LMFT

• https://www.instagram.com/ocdwhisperer/
• https://www.youtube.com/c/OCDWhispererChannel
• https://www.korresults.com/
• https://www.onlineocdacademy.com

Ben Eckstein

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-eckstein-ba395919/
• https://www.bullcityanxiety.com/
• https://www.instagram.com/bullcityanxiety/

Mentioned

• Worrying Is Optional

**Disclaimer**

Please note, while our host is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in OCD and anxiety disorders in the state of California, this podcast is for educational purposes only and should not be considered a substitute for therapy.

Stay tuned for bi-weekly episodes filled with valuable insights and tips for managing OCD and anxiety. And remember, keep going in the meantime. See you in the next episode!